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Hello everyone I am a beginner and I need your help! :)
Old 01-21-2011, 11:13 AM   #11
 
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thank you for that I've been reading those beginner guides and looking at the differences between them and stuff I hope I didnt screw up because on one of them it said that if you add the bacteria booster products it makes your tank unstable in the future and I've added products like tetra safe start and the stress zime but I dont know..how would I go about making the tank suitable for the bacteria? also there are a couple of tiny snails in the tank is that good or bad? and are daylight light bulbs okay for now? I still have to get a lid and the light-- right now im using a clap on light thingy and I am directing it at the plant..

sorry I just have so many questions
I'm not so sure what the bacteria booster products will do or if they are good or bad. I've heard to much conflicting information on that over the years. However, regardless of the boosters you put in, the tank will eventually cycle if you do it the proper way. Now on making the tank suitable for bacteria, I presume you have a filter with adequate filter media in it. This, along with your substrate, make a good home for bacteria growing in your tank. Your tank is already suitable, you just need to feed it enough (with the ammonia) to get a big bloom of it going.

As for the snails, they should be fine. I'm guessing they were on your plant when you put it in. I had a few in my tank while I was cycling and I kind of enjoyed it. It gives you something to watch while you prepare the tank for fish. However, they will probably start to multiply and you could have way more than you want in there. But, like I said, I had a few in my 10g to start off with and now I have about 15. They don't bother much and sometimes my fish play around with them. You just need to make sure the snail population doesn't get out of hand and if it does you can start taking them out or putting in fish or other critters that will eat them.

As for the lighting, you're going to eventually need to get a hood and use fluorescent lighting. Incandescent lighting (I'm sure you have an incandescent bulb in your clamp on lamp) puts off to much heat and promotes algae growth. However, for now, it should be fine to use as a source of light for your plant, but I would try to get a hood with fluorescent bulbs as soon as possible.
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Old 01-21-2011, 02:04 PM   #12
 
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I'm not so sure what the bacteria booster products will do or if they are good or bad. I've heard to much conflicting information on that over the years. However, regardless of the boosters you put in, the tank will eventually cycle if you do it the proper way. Now on making the tank suitable for bacteria, I presume you have a filter with adequate filter media in it. This, along with your substrate, make a good home for bacteria growing in your tank. Your tank is already suitable, you just need to feed it enough (with the ammonia) to get a big bloom of it going.

As for the snails, they should be fine. I'm guessing they were on your plant when you put it in. I had a few in my tank while I was cycling and I kind of enjoyed it. It gives you something to watch while you prepare the tank for fish. However, they will probably start to multiply and you could have way more than you want in there. But, like I said, I had a few in my 10g to start off with and now I have about 15. They don't bother much and sometimes my fish play around with them. You just need to make sure the snail population doesn't get out of hand and if it does you can start taking them out or putting in fish or other critters that will eat them.

As for the lighting, you're going to eventually need to get a hood and use fluorescent lighting. Incandescent lighting (I'm sure you have an incandescent bulb in your clamp on lamp) puts off to much heat and promotes algae growth. However, for now, it should be fine to use as a source of light for your plant, but I would try to get a hood with fluorescent bulbs as soon as possible.
great yeah I have lots of surfaces in which the vacteria can grow:) Im going to use the shrimp method that one sounds like a solid plan.

okay yeah I feel sorry for the little snails I though sinse the plant had them maybe the store put them in on purpose. I heard that some snails will help with certain things but some are no good..

yes Ill definitely get a light and a hood soon Im using one of those energy saving light bulbs and this one is super bright but it only uses 27 watt. its the kind that simulates sunlight so I thought that could help the plant.

thanks for your help again brancasterr I reallyy appreciate it!!!:)
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:56 AM   #13
 
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Reading through this thread, the thing that jumps out at me is the amount of "substances" being put in the water. While some are useful and won't harm if not overdosed, some may not be so good.

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I have also used tetra safe start, stress zyme, stress coat and neutral regulator.
Tetra SafeStart is fine; this is 100% live bacteria and works to "seed" the tank with nitrifying bacteria. It does not immediately cycle a tank, it only adds live bacteria to start the cycling. But it is a very useful product at the beginning of a new tank.

StressZyme is a product I would not personally use. It's claim that it "cleans a dirty aquarium and breaks down organic compounds" causes me trouble; this means it interferes with the natural biological balance in the aquarium, and breaking down organics means additional ammonia is being produced. While not likely to really harm things, it is something best left out in my view.

StressCoat is basically a water conditioner, and that is necessary. Use it at all water changes, as directed on the label.

Now to the pH stuff. This can be dangerous. In order to explain that, can you tell us what the pH of your tap water is, and what pH you want in the aquarium? Also, the hardness of your tap water is important as this affects the natural lowering of the pH (acidification) that occurs in all aquaria. You can find out the hardness numbers from your water supply people; some have a website, or they can tell you directly. The number for the GH and KH is what we want, or some refer to it as "hardness" or "mineral" or "calcium", etc.

You've read the cycling sticky, so you understand how that all works. Having live plants will avoid any cycling issues if there are enough of them and not too many fish at first. The easiest and safest way to start a new tank is with live plants.

Last, but certainly not least, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

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Old 01-27-2011, 02:29 PM   #14
 
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Reading through this thread, the thing that jumps out at me is the amount of "substances" being put in the water. While some are useful and won't harm if not overdosed, some may not be so good.



Tetra SafeStart is fine; this is 100% live bacteria and works to "seed" the tank with nitrifying bacteria. It does not immediately cycle a tank, it only adds live bacteria to start the cycling. But it is a very useful product at the beginning of a new tank.

StressZyme is a product I would not personally use. It's claim that it "cleans a dirty aquarium and breaks down organic compounds" causes me trouble; this means it interferes with the natural biological balance in the aquarium, and breaking down organics means additional ammonia is being produced. While not likely to really harm things, it is something best left out in my view.

StressCoat is basically a water conditioner, and that is necessary. Use it at all water changes, as directed on the label.

Now to the pH stuff. This can be dangerous. In order to explain that, can you tell us what the pH of your tap water is, and what pH you want in the aquarium? Also, the hardness of your tap water is important as this affects the natural lowering of the pH (acidification) that occurs in all aquaria. You can find out the hardness numbers from your water supply people; some have a website, or they can tell you directly. The number for the GH and KH is what we want, or some refer to it as "hardness" or "mineral" or "calcium", etc.

You've read the cycling sticky, so you understand how that all works. Having live plants will avoid any cycling issues if there are enough of them and not too many fish at first. The easiest and safest way to start a new tank is with live plants.

Last, but certainly not least, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Byron.
Hey there Mr. byron! thank you for dropping by and leaving more helpful tips!! yeah I read somethings in some pages and I heard tetra safestart was good. When I was at the shop the lady recommended me the stress zyme and I ofcourse said sure and I only read the front which says "speeds up development of the biological filter" then what you just said its in the back and I was like huh? it keeps the gravel clean from organics? doesnt the gravel need the organisms to help with the ammonia? so I didnt know. the ph of our tap water is at 7 so Im sure Im not going to use the regulator very much. Ill need to get some other testing equipment to test for the other things because I heard that the test strips are not very accurate. I have added 2 more plants so now I have 3 plants in this 20 gallon aquarium. Im very paitient Ill wait as long as it takes for the water to be perfect for fish. I really want them to be happy.

thank you so much for helping me:)
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:22 PM   #15
 
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Hey there Mr. byron! thank you for dropping by and leaving more helpful tips!! yeah I read somethings in some pages and I heard tetra safestart was good. When I was at the shop the lady recommended me the stress zyme and I ofcourse said sure and I only read the front which says "speeds up development of the biological filter" then what you just said its in the back and I was like huh? it keeps the gravel clean from organics? doesnt the gravel need the organisms to help with the ammonia? so I didnt know. the ph of our tap water is at 7 so Im sure Im not going to use the regulator very much. Ill need to get some other testing equipment to test for the other things because I heard that the test strips are not very accurate. I have added 2 more plants so now I have 3 plants in this 20 gallon aquarium. Im very paitient Ill wait as long as it takes for the water to be perfect for fish. I really want them to be happy.

thank you so much for helping me:)
With a pH around 7 I would not add any "regulator." That is fine. These regulator chemicals affect the water chemistry and can cause fluctuations which is far worse on the fish. The hardness somwhat affects the pH balance, so knowing that is useful. I would contact the water people though, don't waste money on hardness test kits--they are not inexpensive, and you only need to know the tap water once and that's it.
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:42 PM   #16
 
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Hi there just wanted to say welcome and add that when you get a hood and light you can use a 6500 daylight florescent light and it will be perfect for the plants. You can get them at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart for about $8.00. And if you have the option of ordering plants online you can save a lot of money buying your plants online a lot of us on here use aquariumplants.com or sweetaquatics.com I use to like sweetaquatics the best but there customer service seems to be going down hill for example I purchased two bulk groups this last weekend and have not heard a word from them yet. I have sent two emails one telling what plants I would like and another asking an estimate on shipping date and have not received any response at all. There plants are great and are cheap but I am willing to pay more for better service.
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Old 01-29-2011, 01:34 PM   #17
 
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Hi there just wanted to say welcome and add that when you get a hood and light you can use a 6500 daylight florescent light and it will be perfect for the plants. You can get them at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart for about $8.00. And if you have the option of ordering plants online you can save a lot of money buying your plants online a lot of us on here use aquariumplants.com or sweetaquatics.com I use to like sweetaquatics the best but there customer service seems to be going down hill for example I purchased two bulk groups this last weekend and have not heard a word from them yet. I have sent two emails one telling what plants I would like and another asking an estimate on shipping date and have not received any response at all. There plants are great and are cheap but I am willing to pay more for better service.
thank you for letting me know! how do they ship/deliver the plant im wondering?
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:23 PM   #18
 
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They ship them either with a little bit of water or wrapped in moist paper towels in plastic bags. Mine have always got here in good shape.
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really?? thats cool!! I got this pretty little cryptocoryne(ofcourse I was looking at the label because I cant spell or pronounce that word lol) I hope to get more plants in the future when I rearrange the tank Im definitely going to use one of those sites they have sweet plants.

thanks again for the recommendation
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really?? thats cool!! I got this pretty little cryptocoryne(ofcourse I was looking at the label because I cant spell or pronounce that word lol) I hope to get more plants in the future when I rearrange the tank Im definitely going to use one of those sites they have sweet plants.

thanks again for the recommendation
The cryps are one of my favorite plants especially the c. Wendtii because they come in red, bronze, and green colors and are super easy to take care of. At sweetaquatics if you click on were it says bulk plants they have a special were you can get I think 12 different cryptocoryn for I think about $15.00. Its a really good deal to me because around here the crypts run about $5.00 a piece. Good luck and remember around here we love to see pictures.
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