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Compatibility Question- Tetras and Barbs
Old 11-23-2012, 10:48 AM   #11
 
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I understand your fish list in post #8 is just the species you might select from, not all together. Most of these would be suitable with your tank (25g) and water parameters, with some reservations.

Scarlet Badis is a beauty, but very demanding. Live food is almost essential. My group were managing on frozen bloodworms and obviously some live food that occurs in a well established heavily planted tank, but they still dwindled until they were gone. So unless you are willing to be culturing live foods, I would avoid these.

You want to be careful with active fish; first, they don't mix well with more sedate fish--for example, mixing any of the danio species in with any of the rasbora or gourami is not recommended, and second, active fish usually need more space [another reason why the inch of fish per gallon guideline fails]. So with the quieter fish you can have more in the tank, in other words, and in smaller tanks this is important because you can build a more interesting community notwithstanding the smaller space.

Gourami can be problematic on several fronts. The Honey is the easiest, and a trio in your 25g would be fine, with the right sedate shoaling fish like some of a couple of the rasbora species. The other three named species of gourami would be fine size-wise, but with these you are getting into difficult fish. I've kept all of these, and my chocolates spawned often. But they are not easy fish, and I lost the whole bunch within a few days to a skin protozoan.

Dwarf cichlids will fit the tank, but here we encounter the "cichlid" issue. This can work, but often it doesn't. If you are looking for a tanks with enough fish to provide interest, I would leave these out.

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Old 11-23-2012, 05:41 PM   #12
 
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I understand your fish list in post #8 is just the species you might select from, not all together.
Oh, definitely! I would never put so many (and such incompatibles) together!
But that really narrows down my list! Thanks!

New list:
Tetra: Glowlight Tetra, Costello or January Tetra
Gourami: Honey Gourami
Rasbora: Mosquito Rasbora, Harlequin Rasbora

I took out the ones you mentioned plus the Cherry Barb, since they're shy but active; Head and Tail Light Tetra,
Guppy, Dwarf Rasbora, and Eyespot Rasbora since they'd conflict with the Honey on upper aquarium space; Lambchop Rasbora, Hengels Rasbora, and Emerald Dwarf Rasbora, since they eat their eggs. You'll notice I also removed the Cherries; we're thinking of giving them their own tank and breeding them to sell.

My favorite on this list are the Honey Gourami and Rasbora. Do you think I could safely have these three together? I'd probably only want males (especially the Honey), provided they could be sexed. Also, would they work with a Water Hyacinth for their floating plant, and what plants in general should I have?
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:25 PM   #13
 
Oh, just noticed that the Harlequin Rasbora are bigger than I thought. So it'd probably be best to choose between the two, right? Well, I really like the Mosquito Rasbora. 3 male Honey, 9+ Mosquito seem good to you?
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:55 AM   #14
 
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Comments on the last two posts.

Re the egg eating, all fish well eat eggs if they find them, and when another fish in the tank is spawning, they all know it. The confines of any aquarium unless it is very heavily planted and stocked low with fish make it almost impossible to raise fry, though sometimes one or two will slip through.

On the two rasbora, the Mosquito is very tiny, and I would be concerned for this fish with any gourami. One of the three very similar Trigonostigma species would probably be better. I personally like the Copper or Hengels Rasbora, and then the Lambchop Rasbora. These two are a tad smaller, and the copper marking on the Hengels is quite striking in a tank with floating plants to partially dim the light.

I would not have all male gourami. Even though the Honey is perhaps the most peaceful, they are still gourami, and males are territorial. Having a mix of male/female will create a more natural setting and likely keep aggression minimal.

For plants, if you want to be authentic with respect to SE Asian fish the crypts are good; if authentic doesn't bother you, pygmy chain sword or chain sword do well. Water Sprite for floating is ideal.

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Old 11-24-2012, 02:58 PM   #15
 
Okay. Big changes to our plans. (Sorry for swinging you back and forth...) My partner and I have decided to use the 25gal for our Cherry raising, and the 5gal maybe for 2-3 male Guppy. We'll have Guppy Grass and maybe a bit of Java Moss or Water Hyacinth in both tanks. (But at least to start out with, just Guppy Grass.)
This seem okay to you?
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:13 PM   #16
 
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Okay. Big changes to our plans. (Sorry for swinging you back and forth...) My partner and I have decided to use the 25gal for our Cherry raising, and the 5gal maybe for 2-3 male Guppy. We'll have Guppy Grass and maybe a bit of Java Moss or Water Hyacinth in both tanks. (But at least to start out with, just Guppy Grass.)
This seem okay to you?
Fine. I personally would want the larger tank for fish, just to have more and create a more interesting community. I've no experience raising cherry shrimp, so I've no idea if they need the larger space or not, but given the confines fish-wise of a 5g that would seem the better tank for shrimp. ??
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:19 PM   #17
 
Cherries are prolific breeders, and they need a lot of algae to feed on and a lot of floor space. The minimum tank suggestion is 10gal, unless your 5gal is all floor (which ours is not). It also needs to be placed in a high-sunlight area, and will preferably be transparent so that you can monitor the status of the shrimp. It also needs to be well covered to prevent escapes, though those really only happen if the shrimp are unhappy with their space.

We could technically get a tub, but our 25gal is best. (Also, we only have 22inx14in of counter space, which the 5gal is sitting on, so it's not really enough floor space with all the outside pump stuff, etc.)

Incidentally, should I create a Cherry profile? And are there any copyright rules for copy-pasta/rewording articles?
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:15 PM   #18
 
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Cherries are prolific breeders, and they need a lot of algae to feed on and a lot of floor space. The minimum tank suggestion is 10gal, unless your 5gal is all floor (which ours is not). It also needs to be placed in a high-sunlight area, and will preferably be transparent so that you can monitor the status of the shrimp. It also needs to be well covered to prevent escapes, though those really only happen if the shrimp are unhappy with their space.

We could technically get a tub, but our 25gal is best. (Also, we only have 22inx14in of counter space, which the 5gal is sitting on, so it's not really enough floor space with all the outside pump stuff, etc.)

Incidentally, should I create a Cherry profile? And are there any copyright rules for copy-pasta/rewording articles?
You can write a profile. Using data from other sources is fine as data, but put it in your own words so we don't run into copyright or plagarism issues. I have written most of the freshwater profiles and used several reliable sources for the data. Like doing research to write a term paper.
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