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Cardinal vs Neon tetras
Old 07-15-2011, 02:53 PM   #11
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Thanks Byron. I'll plan on doing the first change this weekend and then on Friday night. I leave for Yellowstone for a week and will continue once I get back. I'll definitely keep you posted. Thanks for tagging along with me. I find this exciting
Once I graduate and get a real job, I can get a nice big tank (right now I'm living on a scholarship). I'm sure this skill will come in handy
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Old 07-15-2011, 03:12 PM   #12
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By the way, my 55 gallon already has 3 otocinclus cats and I'll be putting in 5 albino cory cats as part of the clean up crew. Hopefully the neons will be fine with this company
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Old 07-15-2011, 03:18 PM   #13
 
They won't even know there are there. Cory seem to settle down easier if they see fish above them. Works like a sentry for them.
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:37 PM   #14
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I am thinking of adding a couple of honey gourami. The water conditions seem to be similar to that for neon tetras. Any comments?
I've diluted the water in the 55 gallon tank a couple of times already. Will post the readings (hardness and pH soon).
My plants are still only 2-3 inches high...except for the aponogetons. I'll post a pic to see if the plants are tall enough to introduce dwarf honey gouramis and then neon tetras (in 2 weeks or so )
Also, how necessary to quarantine the new tetras that I'll be getting?
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:46 PM   #15
 
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I am thinking of adding a couple of honey gourami. The water conditions seem to be similar to that for neon tetras. Any comments?
I've diluted the water in the 55 gallon tank a couple of times already. Will post the readings (hardness and pH soon).
My plants are still only 2-3 inches high...except for the aponogetons. I'll post a pic to see if the plants are tall enough to introduce dwarf honey gouramis and then neon tetras (in 2 weeks or so )
Also, how necessary to quarantine the new tetras that I'll be getting?
Honey Gourami are fine, they are about the best of the medium/larger gourami for a community tank and a pair or even a trio will suit a 20g, as you have a 55g maybe 4-5?

Quarantining new fish is a good precaution. For 3 weeks to be certain of most things. It is easier (and less expensive) to treat ich or any other issues in a smaller QT than in a larger planted tank. Also examine the other fish in the store tank; if any look "odd", be very careful. Health-looking fish in a tank with disease will carry it, depending what it is. I speak from very sad experience.
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:01 PM   #16
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Any ideas on how to tell if the neons are healthy (other than looking for nipped fins?)
I lost 5 platys in my 20 gallon before and during my trip. They got a BAD case of Ick and although we used Ich-attack (recommended by our LFS). They said that the fish get ick if they are stressed out and there is no way to prevent it...is this true?
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:17 PM   #17
 
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Any ideas on how to tell if the neons are healthy (other than looking for nipped fins?)
I lost 5 platys in my 20 gallon before and during my trip. They got a BAD case of Ick and although we used Ich-attack (recommended by our LFS). They said that the fish get ick if they are stressed out and there is no way to prevent it...is this true?
Yes, that has been my experience. I am one of several aquarists who believes ich is always present; there is no other explanation for the fact that it can break out in an established tank to which absolutely nothing new has been added for months. Stress causes ich because it (stress) weakens the fish's immune system. Stress from all sorts of things can occur.

Healthy-looking fish is not easy to describe. Basically, it means the fish is behaving as the species should, has reasonably good colour (remembering that in bare store tanks many fish will be washed out and this is stress but not indicative of poor health necessarily), no clamped fins, no shimmying movement, etc. And obvious no spots, tears, lesions on the fish's skin [torn fins are not always a problem, this can happen from many things, including past nipping]. I always stand for many minutes in front of the tank, motionless, to see how the fish are interacting. Knowing the species helps, so you know what to look for in this regard. Male displays among characins, frisky play, sparring between rival males, etc. I think much of this comes with experience.

I want to get hold of a group of Black Ruby Barb, a beautiful Cyprinids and very well suited for my 90g river habitat. I found some at a local store from which i frequently buy fish. But there were 3 dead fish floating in the tank, and 2 of the live fish had very red gills. Sure signs of trouble, even though all the other 2 dozen looked bright and lively. I left them, reluctantly; I though maybe I could quarantine and treat them...but decided best to wait. Well, a week later, there were only half a dozen swimming fish, and a couple floaters. The staff fellow said most of them had died suddenly. Obviously they had some sort of pathogen, and without knowing exactly what, treatment would have been impossible and I would have wasted my money.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:39 PM   #18
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Thanks Byron !
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:00 PM   #19
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Just thought I'd give an update.
My hardness is currently a little below 150ppm and pH is around 7.6 . I am able to change swap aquarium water with 10 gallons of distilled water at a time due to the number of bottles (and space) I have.
I decided to go ahead and add 7 neons last weekend. The fish-stores here keep the fish using the city tap water. The way I figure, if I continue to slowly lower the hardness and pH, it'll at leat be better than them staying in a non-planted tanks in tap water in the fish stores

Also, I am thinking of slightly overstocking the 55 gallon tank as follows:
17-21 neon tetras
5 long fin zebra danios
5 albino cory cats
5 oto cats
2-3 honey gourami

Right now there are NO honey gourami or cory cats and 7 neon tetras.

I have a HOB power filter for 60 gallon and a sponge filter rated for 60 gallons. However I need to figure out the right airflow on that one. The sponge filter has been operational there for 4 weeks now.
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Old 08-09-2011, 04:46 PM   #20
 
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I myself would not include Zebra Danio, they are more active, in with the other named fish. There are lots of characins that are very colourful that would better suit the space.

You won't need the HOB once the sponge is working and with plants (assuming this was in the picture).
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