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post #11 of 22 Old 08-02-2010, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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What a truly beautiful loach Sewellia lineolata is; this is one of those fish that almost cause me to set up another tank just to have them. But they are not available anywhere around here that I know of, or I probably would have another tank.

If you are getting something as precious as this, please provide a proper home for it so it will live happily. As noted in the comments on that site [I happen to know Mark the owner, he lives in Vancouver and works in one of the fish stores here, and has written (compiled) a book on loaches too] these fish do not travel well, so getting healthy specimens is fortunate but without a proper environment they will not be at their best. Forget the second species, and get 5-6 of these for your 20g, and set it up appropriately. There is alink on the site to photos and description of the habitat that is a good guide to aquascaping a suitable environment.

If I had the opportunity for this species, I would go without a bottle or two of wine in order to do them justice and have a proper group. Well worth it.

This is the type that I have, for the time being until my paycheck thursday he is in my 55 gallon with the goldfish, but is swimming around eating algae off of every thing he sits on, and seems to be happy(but obviously I hope to see him happier in the new tank)

When I went there they only had three of this loach, and three of the other kind, I looked through my lfs and they have two good 40 gallon long tanks, so I'm going to grab one of those on thursday to set up the tank, and will be using either my two maxi-jet 1200s, or possibly the two and a third maxi-jet 900 to provide a decent current, and build a pvc manifold as shown in the research I was reading through.

I plan on grabbing the other two of this species if they are still there when I go, but my main reason for wondering about mixing the species is that I won't be able to do more than the three(if they are even still there) so I would like to be able to give them as close to ideal conditions as possible by adding the similar variety with them.

Unfortunately this is the first I have ever seen of this species, and they said they only get them maybe once or twice a year, so I'm going to ask if they can get more, but even if they can, it's really tough for me to spend 10 dollars each on another five fish to go into the tank, as opposed to the 5 dollars for the slightly less exotic breed.
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post #12 of 22 Old 08-02-2010, 05:51 PM
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With the larger tank in the offing, I would certainly get all six (3 of the 2 different species). Yes.

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post #13 of 22 Old 08-02-2010, 06:04 PM Thread Starter
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With the larger tank in the offing, I would certainly get all six (3 of the 2 different species). Yes.
You do think they would feel more comfortable having three of themselves and three of the slightly different variety than just being with the 3 of the same species?

I'm hoping that since they're almost identical other than the slight color difference it would be good enough for them.

Also considering getting a few zebra danios to add into the mix, they are on sale now 4 for 3 dollars, and apparently the stores don't carry white clouds because they're not legally supposed to here in MA, but the danios also seem to be something good in high current, so all should be well in theory.

But either way when I set up the tank(With loads of lava rock, stones, and other goodies from my established tank) I will be starting with only the hillstream loaches, unless it seems like it would be better to add the danios early on for some reason.
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I think the danio would be OK. They can manage in the lower temp too, which is important.

Eventually hopefully build up the group to six each, as I think the interaction would be much of the attraction of these fish, and mixed species might not engage in that, but I've never kept these so only going by what I've read.

If you seed the tank, or if you have plants (some Java Fern or Anubias that attaches to rock would be ideal in stronger currents), cycling won't be an issue. The danio could go in first (6+ of them) if the store will hold the loaches if you confirm you will take them. Either way, with seeding and plants I would just do it.

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I think the danio would be OK. They can manage in the lower temp too, which is important.

Eventually hopefully build up the group to six each, as I think the interaction would be much of the attraction of these fish, and mixed species might not engage in that, but I've never kept these so only going by what I've read.

If you seed the tank, or if you have plants (some Java Fern or Anubias that attaches to rock would be ideal in stronger currents), cycling won't be an issue. The danio could go in first (6+ of them) if the store will hold the loaches if you confirm you will take them. Either way, with seeding and plants I would just do it.
Yeah, I plan on seeding the tank with lots of stuff from my established 55, as well as adding in a pvc tube I have thats covered with java moss, a large chunk of slate that has a nice layer of algae all across the top, and some java fern and bacopa to see if they can do okay in there.

You think the 6 zebra danios would be good for the tank along with the potential 12 hillstream loaches in the future?
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Yeah, I plan on seeding the tank with lots of stuff from my established 55, as well as adding in a pvc tube I have thats covered with java moss, a large chunk of slate that has a nice layer of algae all across the top, and some java fern and bacopa to see if they can do okay in there.

You think the 6 zebra danios would be good for the tank along with the potential 12 hillstream loaches in the future?
Yes, we're talking about a 40g long tank now. That's fine. Were it me, I would get 7 zebra (I like odd numbers, no other reason) and sit tight; later the White Clouds may turn up, or some other suitable fish that manages in cooler water with a current. You would have room for 7 of them.

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post #17 of 22 Old 08-02-2010, 08:08 PM Thread Starter
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Yes, we're talking about a 40g long tank now. That's fine. Were it me, I would get 7 zebra (I like odd numbers, no other reason) and sit tight; later the White Clouds may turn up, or some other suitable fish that manages in cooler water with a current. You would have room for 7 of them.
Would white clouds be that much better?

I don't mind the thought of just sticking with zebra danios and the loaches, it doesnt seem like the danios would do well permanently in the tank with the loaches if I were to keep it somewhere around 70-73?

(At this point keeping the temperature that low is starting to concern me, I may grab a ten gallon tank I have laying around and have the water cycling through it with 4 120mm fans on a screen cover, the tanks in this room right now are usually around 77 degrees, although they're much smaller tanks at 10, 5, and 2.5, I still think the normal temperature would be a little high for these guys, so I guess I'll be setting up a little cooling tank to try and keep things well.)

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Would white clouds be that much better?

I don't mind the thought of just sticking with zebra danios and the loaches, it doesnt seem like the danios would do well permanently in the tank with the loaches if I were to keep it somewhere around 70-73?

(At this point keeping the temperature that low is starting to concern me, I may grab a ten gallon tank I have laying around and have the water cycling through it with 4 120mm fans on a screen cover, the tanks in this room right now are usually around 77 degrees, although they're much smaller tanks at 10, 5, and 2.5, I still think the normal temperature would be a little high for these guys, so I guess I'll be setting up a little cooling tank to try and keep things well.)
No, what I meant was, have the zebra and loaches; because it is a 40 long, there is room for other upper fish. Later on the White Clouds maybe, or some other fish. In other words, don't think that the "finished" aquarium has to be built in one go. Get some fish that are available now, some others may turn up down the road.

Don't worry too much about summer temperatures, not at 77F. Plan long-term.

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post #19 of 22 Old 08-02-2010, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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No, what I meant was, have the zebra and loaches; because it is a 40 long, there is room for other upper fish. Later on the White Clouds maybe, or some other fish. In other words, don't think that the "finished" aquarium has to be built in one go. Get some fish that are available now, some others may turn up down the road.

Don't worry too much about summer temperatures, not at 77F. Plan long-term.
By not worrying about the summer temperatures are you saying it should be fine at the 77 degrees for the summertime?

I suppose in summer a river probably would naturally be hotter anyway, so if thats the case It would be nicer to not have to worry about setting up an outside tank just to keep it cooler.


Also, I forgot about fish all staying to their seperate spaces, my goldfish seem to stay all over the tank from top to bottom, so I forget all about area fish, zebra danios would be more of a middle or lower portion of the tank fish?
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By not worrying about the summer temperatures are you saying it should be fine at the 77 degrees for the summertime?

I suppose in summer a river probably would naturally be hotter anyway, so if thats the case It would be nicer to not have to worry about setting up an outside tank just to keep it cooler.


Also, I forgot about fish all staying to their seperate spaces, my goldfish seem to stay all over the tank from top to bottom, so I forget all about area fish, zebra danios would be more of a middle or lower portion of the tank fish?
Most of us in temperate regions have summer heat to contend with. Generally it cools back down at night. A "high" of 77F is nothing; my tanks run at 78F and in the summer it gets 80+ in the fishroom, and in a heatwave can reach 90F. Until last year, I just let it run its course. Now I have a portable air conditioner to keep it max 80F on the hottest days. It's long-term you have to worry about.

Zebra are mid-upper level swimmers.

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