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Old 04-19-2012, 09:49 AM   #11
 
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That is correct, i am getting a 38 gallon tank and am moving some fish from my 20 into it. It is definetly going to have 2 angels (I already have 1) , 6 silver hatchetfish (I already have 3) , and 1 twig cat. I also want to put my 3 pepper cories in there and get 2 more and possibly put my clown pleco in there. My 14 cardinal and rummynose tetras will stay in mmy 20. Any suggestions you have for either tank I'd be glad to hear. I have a good fish dealer with many different types of fish so almot any suggested fish i might be able to aquire.
There are some issues/problems here, so I'll try to sort them out.

First big problem is the angelfish. Unless you have a mated pair (male/female that are bonded) you should not have two. This is a shoaling fish with a social hierarchy within the group, and two fish that turn out to be males will always mean one of them is going to be the loser. If you moved to a 4-foot tank (like a 55g minimum) you could add 3-4 with the one and hope that with the new environment they would get along reasonably well. But please, never just two angelfish in a tank except a mated pair. And bear in mind that if you have a mated pair, they will spawn repeatedly and in a 38g this is going to cause issues on any other fish.

Rummynose Tetra should have much more room than a 20g. At least a 3-foot tank, with a good sized group (12 for example). So they should go in the planned 38g and depending how many you have now, increase their group. However, this fish is wild caught and requires soft acidic water long-term or it will not last. And no mention is made of water, so I just point this out; you can read more in our profile, click the shaded name, Hemigrammus bleheri.

Twig catfish, presumably Farlowella vitatta, is fine in soft water. If you mean Whiptail Cat, Rineloricaria parva, that is different, and these two often get their common names mixed up. Both are in the profiles with photos.

Increasing the corys and hatchets is good. I would go with 7-8 of the hatchet though, if these are the common Silver Hatchetfish. If they are the silvery hatchets Carnegiella marthae, the group should be 10 (or more).

The cardinal tetra can stay in the 20g or move with the rummys. Again I don't know how many you have. These two species do very well together.

I won't attempt to suggest new fish now because I believe the above issues have to be resolved first, or it will just be adding to the problems.

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Old 04-19-2012, 06:38 PM   #12
 
Thanks Byron. I am sorry that i cannot get a 4 foot tank as i am only 14 and do not have the space for anything more than a 3 foot tank. I bought the angel before I knew anything about fish and I can't return him to the store and I don't know anyone with a tank who'll take him. If i wait 2 months for my birthday when i am asking for money for my tank and my mom is buying the stank I MIGHT be able to get a 46 gallon bowfront, but a 38 gallon is the most likely outcome. I know that angels are tall and i did see a 56 gallon 2 foot tall tank, but it's only 30 inches long. Another conmcern i have is my angels eating my cardinals so I plan to keep them seperate. My twig cat is not a whiptail which is good. I plan to get 3 more cories (i have 3 now) and move them and my twig cat into the bigger tank. I'll add 4 more silver hatchets to the 3 I have and i'll decide which tank to put them in (once or twice i've seen my angel chase them). I thought rummynoses needed only a 24 inch tank as it says in your profile which complicates things even more, because I probobly wouldn't have brought mine if I knew, but if they need a bigger tank i'll put the 7 I have in the larger one and buy 5 more. If it's okay I think I'll keep my clown pleco in the 20. I'm happy to hear any more advice. Thanks so much.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:14 PM   #13
 
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Thanks Byron. I am sorry that i cannot get a 4 foot tank as i am only 14 and do not have the space for anything more than a 3 foot tank. I bought the angel before I knew anything about fish and I can't return him to the store and I don't know anyone with a tank who'll take him. If i wait 2 months for my birthday when i am asking for money for my tank and my mom is buying the stank I MIGHT be able to get a 46 gallon bowfront, but a 38 gallon is the most likely outcome. I know that angels are tall and i did see a 56 gallon 2 foot tall tank, but it's only 30 inches long. Another conmcern i have is my angels eating my cardinals so I plan to keep them seperate. My twig cat is not a whiptail which is good. I plan to get 3 more cories (i have 3 now) and move them and my twig cat into the bigger tank. I'll add 4 more silver hatchets to the 3 I have and i'll decide which tank to put them in (once or twice i've seen my angel chase them). I thought rummynoses needed only a 24 inch tank as it says in your profile which complicates things even more, because I probobly wouldn't have brought mine if I knew, but if they need a bigger tank i'll put the 7 I have in the larger one and buy 5 more. If it's okay I think I'll keep my clown pleco in the 20. I'm happy to hear any more advice. Thanks so much.
On the angelfish, I would be tempted to just keep the one, in the circumstances you mention. But, if there is any sign of aggression such as you indicate, this might get much worse. The fish is likely stressed at being alone, but as previously mentioned the options are basically non-existent to rectify this at present. So my suggestion here would be to try and find someone who will take it. A local fish club, other forum members living near you, an ad in a local store if one does this... one of these might help. You are right about the cardinals, both neon and cardinal will be eaten by mature angelfish. This is a situation where keeping the angelfish may lead to the point of having to decide on destroying it to save the other fish, or letting it decimate the tank. If it is becoming at all aggressive, this will stress all the other fish.

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Old 04-19-2012, 07:27 PM   #14
 
Well, he hasn't nipped anybody or tried to eat anybody, but just seemed to be playing and i've only seen him do it a couple times. If i needed to would it be possible to do
38-46 gallon-7 silver hatchets, 7 cardinal tetras, 1 clown pleco
20 galllon-1-2 angels, 6 pepper cories, 1 twig cat, 12 rummynose tetras
Any adeas/comments thanks.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:34 PM   #15
 
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Well, he hasn't nipped anybody or tried to eat anybody, but just seemed to be playing and i've only seen him do it a couple times. If i needed to would it be possible to do
38-46 gallon-7 silver hatchets, 7 cardinal tetras, 1 clown pleco
20 galllon-1-2 angels, 6 pepper cories, 1 twig cat, 12 rummynose tetras
Any adeas/comments thanks.
Please don't get a second angel, I can all but guarantee trouble if one (or both) is a male. This would only be making a problem much worse.

The lone angel in the 20g is the only option I can see if you keep it and it becomes a problem. And certainly move the rummys into the larger tank with the cardinals and hatchets and twig cat and corys. The clown pleco could stay in the 20g with the angel.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:40 PM   #16
 
Why couldn't I keep 1 angel in a larger tank with a dozen rummynoses and some of my bottom guys, which he has never bothere. I dont know if this is weird, but when i first got my angel, he was very curious and swam REALLY close to a rummy's tail and the rummy turned around and (without any nipping) shooed him off. Ever since my angel and rummynoses have had a respect for each other and co-exist very well together. Thanks.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:55 PM   #17
 
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Why couldn't I keep 1 angel in a larger tank with a dozen rummynoses and some of my bottom guys, which he has never bothere. I dont know if this is weird, but when i first got my angel, he was very curious and swam REALLY close to a rummy's tail and the rummy turned around and (without any nipping) shooed him off. Ever since my angel and rummynoses have had a respect for each other and co-exist very well together. Thanks.
You can try. It is hard to foresee how an individual fish may behave. We know how the species is desinged to behave by nature, and in this or that situation most fish in the species will do this or that. But there are always exceptions.

The worst case is having an aggressive angel, and this can be without actual physical evidence. In the minds of smaller fish that would be natural targets, the angel will still be a bully just by being there. That's the unknown danger. But in the worst case, putting the angel in the 20g will be best for all the other fish. Mixing any of them with the angel might not.

Have a read of the article I posted this week on stress; it may help to understand where I'm coming from in this.
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...um-fish-98852/

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Old 04-19-2012, 08:22 PM   #18
 
Thank you SO much Byron, I'll keep the angel in the 20 with the clown pleco. I know what you said about rummynoses needing a larger tank, but the profile said a 24 inch so i was confused. If there's anything else that could go in there instead to have some more movement great because my clown pleco hides a lot, but with the fishes best intrest in mind, I understand if there's not. In the larger tank I'll have 6-7 silver hatchets, 5-6 pepper cories, 1 twig cat, 7 cardinal tetras, and if they shouldn't/can't go in the 20, 12 rummynose tetras. Thanks.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:45 AM   #19
 
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Thank you SO much Byron, I'll keep the angel in the 20 with the clown pleco. I know what you said about rummynoses needing a larger tank, but the profile said a 24 inch so i was confused. If there's anything else that could go in there instead to have some more movement great because my clown pleco hides a lot, but with the fishes best intrest in mind, I understand if there's not. In the larger tank I'll have 6-7 silver hatchets, 5-6 pepper cories, 1 twig cat, 7 cardinal tetras, and if they shouldn't/can't go in the 20, 12 rummynose tetras. Thanks.
I'll make an amendment to the H. bleheri profile (which I originally wrote) on the minimum tank size, thanks for pointing that out.

I would try to get rid of the angel as previously suggested (give it to someone), but it will manage in the 20g for a time. The problem is that the fish itself is not going to be in the best circumstance, but given its probable nature it is also not going to be suitable with other fish, though again each fish can vary. The corys would likely be OK in the 20g; if the angel should pick on them, you could move them into the larger tank.

The larger tank sounds fine. What species of hatchet is this?
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:39 AM   #20
 
They're silver hatchetfish. I plan to have a total of 6.
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