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This is a discussion on Mycobacteria within the Betta Fish Articles forums, part of the Articles category; --> Originally Posted by AyalaCookiejar I hope so. And it does make sense... But I think we also often don't hear about the cases of ...

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Old 01-16-2013, 11:38 PM   #71
 
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I hope so. And it does make sense... But I think we also often don't hear about the cases of people who only owned one Betta, because anyone can go out and buy one, stick it in a tiny unheated tank and not think anything about it when the fish dies... Maybe it could be a reason people seen to have "bad luck" with bettas (besides that they are uneducated on proper care). Many people think that disinfecting with hot water actually works, and can't understand why every new fish they get dies...

I just find it hard to believe than anyone has that kind of info about the Betta population as a whole because anyone can go out and buy one. I could have got one on my own when I was 5 if I had $10.
You make a good point, and the only thing I would say about all the other bettas that people buy say, for decoration, is that we can't really tell what killed their fish, so there's no way to know for sure. It seems to me that most of the people I know that have kept fish, and kept them well have never seen this type of disease hit their tanks. Olympia made an excellent point about some major magazines, and someone else had a good point about if this was as bad as it's being made out to be, then home aquariums would be banned.

Personally, I don't see the point for panic on this level, now that the conversation has mellowed a bit (after 8 pages or so) there is less of that panic, however, for casual browsers who are looking for information on their pet here on the forums, seeing something like this and reading the first few pages is terrifying.

I digress, I guess my thing is, is that this really probably isn't the epidemic that some think it is
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:41 PM   #72
 
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You make a good point, and the only thing I would say about all the other bettas that people buy say, for decoration, is that we can't really tell what killed their fish, so there's no way to know for sure. It seems to me that most of the people I know that have kept fish, and kept them well have never seen this type of disease hit their tanks. Olympia made an excellent point about some major magazines, and someone else had a good point about if this was as bad as it's being made out to be, then home aquariums would be banned.

Personally, I don't see the point for panic on this level, now that the conversation has mellowed a bit (after 8 pages or so) there is less of that panic, however, for casual browsers who are looking for information on their pet here on the forums, seeing something like this and reading the first few pages is terrifying.

I digress, I guess my thing is, is that this really probably isn't the epidemic that some think it is
Yeah, I'm not too worried about my current fish... But I need at least 2 more females for my sorority and this makes me scared to introduce any new fish, especially if 60 days of QTing didn't prevent it. I'd hate to lose my new girls, or either of my boys... I've had my VT for over a year, now.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:44 PM   #73
 
I'll be dreadfully honest. I didn't QT any of my girls before I added them to my sorority. >.> I know, very bad of me. *slaps self on hand*
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:45 PM   #74
 
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Yeah, I'm not too worried about my current fish... But I need at least 2 more females for my sorority and this makes me scared to introduce any new fish, especially if 60 days of QTing didn't prevent it. I'd hate to lose my new girls, or either of my boys... I've had my VT for over a year, now.
If you want to be as careful as possible, buy from a breeder, you'll probably be less likely to encounter a deadly strain that way. In either case, I'd still go with the normal precautions and good husbandry and not worry so much. This has been around for a while, and though, yes, it is good to know information about this strain and what it can do, it's not likely that you'll encounter it. (I think, I'm no pro, just logic and common sense talking here... well at least... my brand of logic lol )
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:47 PM   #75
 
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It's not a matter of published papers, its common sense. If every fish has myco, then every fish should be killed and at home aquariums should be banned. And all these papers you speak of, I seem to be having trouble finding. Nothing I am reading is indicating that its the epidemic you are claiming it is. Sorry you lost years of works. Clean your tanks.
Some strains of mycos are more pathogenic than others and more deadly in your fish. There area bunch of strains. Can you not understand some are more deadly than others? It is exposure to THOSE and only those. You do not want marinum nor do you want the triplex. Those are two where the protocall is to destroy the fish and nuke the system. The others can be managed. If my fish had presented another variety, I would not have had the symptoms I did and something else would have been the cause. But the result was m. triplex. There is not much info out there as it is NOT common. But is IS working its way though bettas at this time.

My tanks are clean.. do your home work. I talked at length with people IN THE FIELD researching this. Just because it is not well know doesnot make it not a threat. Although educated and more familiar with disease than most.. you are not an expert in this field. And I am sorry.. but I will take the word of the scientists currently working on this over your lab experience.. no offense.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:49 PM   #76
 
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If you want to be as careful as possible, buy from a breeder, you'll probably be less likely to encounter a deadly strain that way. In either case, I'd still go with the normal precautions and good husbandry and not worry so much. This has been around for a while, and though, yes, it is good to know information about this strain and what it can do, it's not likely that you'll encounter it. (I think, I'm no pro, just logic and common sense talking here... well at least... my brand of logic lol )
My current three are from Mo. All of them so far are super active and healthy looking. :) I've had them for a week. But, as Basement Bettas stated, the sick fish she got was from a breeder.

Sakura: ha, I hope I get super lucky with my sorority. I'm too attached to my current girls already and I don't want any of them to get sick. I hope they all get along once I get them in the same tank!
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:50 PM   #77
 
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I think understanding a well written scientific paper is nearly impossible for anyone without a degree. doctorate or phd in the subject.

There are many things in life we have to live with and fish being sick is one of them, if science had a cure for everything (within reason), do you not think something would have been said about it? There are countless sites on the web about cancer saying it has been cured for years and hasnt been released to the public because of the drugs companies and the fact they could lose billions, losing billions over having health care costs explode over the roof for cancer treatment patients...weigh up the argument.

There have been some very valid points here and yes there is a disease going around that is becoming more widespread, no more than any other potential disease "we" have to deal with in this world we call home. MRSA, simple infection in its earliest form, became very widespread due to the overuse of antibiotics.

Point being, yes this disease is carried by most fish, will something trigger it, cannot be 100% sure, all we can do is care for our fish as best as we can.
Truth is, you happened to come on a situation that caused your fish to perish, sorry for this loss, chances though are yes increasing on others getting it as it is becoming more widespread...look at it another way though, we as humans removed the fish from their habitat for our personal enjoyment...should we have done that...no not really...

Enough of my rant...it will effect some more than others until a full blown outbreak occurs worldwide there is no cause for alarm in keeping our fish.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:52 PM   #78
 
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Okay.. think this is my last post on this topic for now...
Mycobacterium has been around for years on end. When I joined this hobby, one of the first things on disease I read was "mycobacterium is found in almost every aquarium fish in some number." We've known this for a long time (okay, shush, I haven't been fish keeping that long :p).

I would honestly, think that if we were having some sort of bacterial epidemic here, that some magazine like Amazonas or Practical Fish Keeping would have commented on it. They haven't, no one seems too worried about this to me.
This has been around for so many years (gosh, some of those paper's sources are from the 90's- we do realize that's over a decade right?) and the world hasn't ended, fish still live in tanks, they will keep living in tanks. Die outs here and there is part of the hobby and happens when you aren't careful with your fish.
It is not an epidemic. It is something many of us that breed a lot of bettas have been recently exposed to. And I am seeing it in too many fish offered for sale at the local level. And I see too many posts here with stuff I don't like. So all this post if for is a warning,. It is out there., in the betta community. Breeders to the local shops. Watch your fish. Keep tanks as clean and healthy as possible. Treat for common disease. And if you face something that just will not go away.. look seriously at the possibility of this being the cause. And take the right steps to be free of it rather than have it nagging in the back ground. It can totally destroy the joy in keeping fish.
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Exactly, Finn. :)
Thank you Sakura :)
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So if I take good care of my fish (which I obviously do) then I shouldn't be worrying about this Myco bacterium?
no. If you do not introduce it with another fish.
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