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post #31 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:48 PM Thread Starter
There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.

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post #32 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:48 PM
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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...
Don't be. With good maintenance, chances are slim that a new fish will kill your stock. If you are worried, have a quarantine tank ready for any stock you buy.

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post #33 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:49 PM
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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...
I was thinking the same thing. You won't see a store warning customers about this potential problem.

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post #34 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:49 PM
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Oh, good lord, what a thread! There is a lot of good info in this thread. I just wish we could discuss it without everyone getting freaked out and flooding us with reports.
Well, with language like this:
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THERE IS NO CURE and THE FISH WILL DIE
in a forum full of young people it is bound to get a little scary and heated.
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post #35 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...
with a healthy immune system chances not. but it is wise not to have hands with open cuts in aquarium water. I have had my hands in my water and to date I have no issues. But i am a lot more careful now.

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post #36 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:51 PM
New fish should always be quarrentined anyway.
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post #37 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:51 PM
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There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.
No offense, but I prefer not to go off the misrepresented meanderings of a PhD, as it is usually the undergraduates doing the work for them. People working towards a degree doing research to get out of school. I work closely with a lot of PhDs and debunk a lot of what they say. I stated my credentials before. I AM a lab technologist and my research is pure when it comes to bacterial/viral infection. I do have a slight semblance of information that I put out. But I would like to know, besides google, what research you have done. Then you compare it to what I do for a living.

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post #38 of 212 Old 01-16-2013, 10:53 PM
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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...
This is why we need to be careful about the information we spread and how we spread it.

Finn, don't worry. You won't get sick. There are only a few zoonotic diseases that can be caught from fish and you have to have open wounds to get them. Most of the time, those diseases affect fishermen who work with wild fish every day.

BB, I'm going to have to ask you to back off of this a little and give people some time to process this information.
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There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.
This makes no sense to me, not everyone has MT right now, even you yourself said only a lab can tell you what you have. I don't think you can look at a scratch on a fish and say it is Myco and not something completely different.

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Well, with language like this: in a forum full of young people it is bound to get a little scary and heated.
It is the truth. It is made to call attention to it and any posts saying to use such and such are totally false. If there WAS a cure the major fish farms would have it as would the research facilities. in humans it takes 6-9 months of several drugs to get rid of it. Just isnt happening with fish. I was told I might be able to get the human drugs .. but research has not cured it. All the meds do is slow down the progression. And my drug tests proved that as well. I got some improvement only to see a rapid decline and death.

No need to take my word for ANY of this. PLEASE do the research and see if what I have shared is not proved correct by common and recent research.

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