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post #11 of 18 Old 01-06-2009, 02:19 PM Thread Starter
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i just find it hard to believe you are out for the best in the fish when you housed so many large fish in a 55 gallon tank for 5 years. all of them except the maroon would not be able to turn around in a 55, then we subtract the space the live rock takes up and your looking at very little room.
The point I was trying to make was that they all can get along together. The fish I had were all purchased as juveniles, less than 3" and the only one that outgrew the tank was the Panther Grouper, which I gave to a friend with a larger tank after 2 years. This fish was housed in a 150 gal. tank and was still thriving 2 years after I broke my own tank down. Without knowing me, no one should question my level of commitment, or my care for my fish. ALL Tanks, no matter how large, are still limiting for fish. If you really want to get down to basics, why take ANY of them out of the ocean and confine them to a tank. I'm sure most tanks are NO larger than 150 gal., and the largest percentage falls well below that capacity. You can make the argument for specific fish being housed in "larger" tanks because they grow larger and therefore have the extra space needed to thrive, but they are still confined. Only they are confined in a slightly bigger environment. As before all my fish are juveniles and no one knows what the future holds for them, including the "experts." However, as they get larger, I have ways of dealing with their growth, by selling or giving them to people with "larger" systems. The point is, none of us should be hypocritical about housing these animals. When you come right down to it, they are all basically in "prisons" for our enjoyment, no matter how large or small.
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post #12 of 18 Old 01-06-2009, 02:39 PM
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i buy captive bred fish way more often then i buy wild caught actually i dont think i have purchased a wild caught fish my entire life. i still find it hard to believe, the tang itself should have reached close to full size in a year and that itself is big. the minimum tank size for one of these animals is a 75 gallon tank. panthers i believe the minimum is a 150 and you housed multiples of large growing animals in a 55. subtract the room taken from the live rock and your looking at 40 gallons tops.

what im saying is, your not looking at long term success. you plan to "try" this out and if it doesnt work to bail, and when they grow to large to bail. this would not, IMO that is, be success. i disagree that fish are in "prisons" if they are housed properly. you are correct, they are confined when compared to the ocean but if you house the right fish in the right size tank they will thrive. i guess what im saying is you cant put 2 triggers, a panther grouper, a hammerhead shark in a 55 gallon tank and start handing them away when things get bad, now thats like a prison ( "when over population hits we'll just give them the electrical chair, or send them to another prison")
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I agree with OneFish on this issue.

And, by posting on the internet, you are asking for the opinions of other people. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. It is encouraged. However, I will personally strongly draw the line when other people are encouraged to follow your ill advised example, by expressing my equally important and opposite opinion.
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post #14 of 18 Old 01-06-2009, 10:30 PM
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correct, i encourage your opinion as well. every has there views but as you have asked for advice like pasfur said i am offering my opinion. please dont see this as an attack or threat but as help to do things right. keep in mind live animals are at stake here and the wild caught species are being over harvested as it is.
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But seriously, you need to reevaluate you decision on the livestock you are planning to get or already have. The lack of space in the tank will encourage the fish to become more aggressive as they have less space to set up territories. Also, don't forget, every fish has its personality, while yes you may have kept them in a smaller tank before, you were perhaps extremely fortunate, but if you happen to get an extremely aggressive Trigger? or even Tang? not all fish are the same as we learn time and time again.

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correct, i encourage your opinion as well. every has there views but as you have asked for advice like pasfur said i am offering my opinion. please dont see this as an attack or threat but as help to do things right. keep in mind live animals are at stake here and the wild caught species are being over harvested as it is.
Guys, I sincerely appreciate all your opinions and view points. While I do agree with some of them, I disagree with others, and I guess thats what makes this Forum work. When I posted this fish combo, it was worded as a question where it probably should have been posted more as fact. Although I did not initially expect such opinions on the subject, they are certainly welcome. However, my post was more of a challenge if you will, not to the size requirements of certain fish, but to the misnomers of certain species of fish being able to be housed together. I do agree that a 75 gal. tank is too small for these animals as they continue to grow, but I do plan on upsizing my tank, as previously stated. So in this way I did think about the long term for these fish, albeit in a round about way. IMO too many times we have just listened to the so called "experts" and failed to determine certain things for ourselves. Yes, like people, all fish have their own unique personalities so we they can't be painted with broad strokes of a brush. However, maybe someone with a larger capacity tank, who always coveted having a couple of different Triggers, with a Tang, etc., will read my post and try it themself. Maybe they will say, even though the "experts" say it can't be done, this guy achieved success in a smaller tank, so maybe I can try it in a larger tank. That was the whole point of my post, to dispel any preconceived notions that are out there. I will admit that the fish I have in my tank should NOT be kept long term in anything smaller that 125-150gal. I plan on kepping them only about a year in my tank and then moving them to the larger system.
Once again, guys thanks for all of the advice and opinions. Believe it or not, I do value them all!
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I will agree with you to a degree. There is a lot of bad advice out there about compatibility, because far to many people do not understand how to make compatibility decisions. I wish more people would spend time learning the behaviors of the different Genus of fish, so that they could use this information for compatibility purposes.

On your point of Triggers, I have no idea why people say you can't mix Triggers together. The simple truth is that they go fine together, provided you have a large tank. But the fact that they are Triggers and that the family of Triggers is generally aggressive, has very little to do with their behavior in an aquarium when mixed together.

These problems arise because people make these mistakes in smaller sized aquariums, often without paying any attention to which species of fish they add first.
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I second that! Well put Pasfur.

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