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Uncured Live Rock...HELP!
Old 03-24-2009, 03:58 PM   #1
 
Uncured Live Rock...HELP!

Added about 16 lbs of uncured live rock on Saturday (from LFS) to 75 gallon fish only tank. Tank has been set up for about 2 months and had 8 lbs of live rock in it before added the 16 lbs. Damsel is taking the stress of the second cycle fine, but mated pair of ocellaris are not doing well. Ick...stressed...one has already died and I fear the other one is on the way...what to do???
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:30 PM   #2
 
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large water change to dilute the ammonia and/or nitrites, and repeated water changes to keep the levels down until the cycle finishes (which would require constant testing, so you know when the levels rise and when you need to change the water).

Bottom line, that's the risk you run when you cycle a tank with fish in it... they get stressed, and may very well perish.

Also, it surprised me to see that you only had 8 lbs of live rock (now 24) in a 75 gallon tank. Ideally, you should have 75-150 lbs of liverock, though I understand that it can be expensive and perhaps you are pacing yourself to go easy on the wallet . However, doing so means you will re-cycle the tank with each addition (especially with uncured liverock), thus repeatedly stressing your fish. I would suggest not adding any more livestock until you have all the rock in your tank that you plan to have, and it completes its cycle.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:30 PM   #3
 
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Also, if you've got a quarantine tank or a hospital tank, you might move your fish there and medicate them, or even just get them out of the cycling tank until the cycle completes. Just another suggestion!
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Old 03-24-2009, 05:55 PM   #4
 
Thank you so much for the response! I was thinking of removing the fish and putting in quarantine tank (have one set up).

What would you recommend to medicate the fish with? Copper...formulin...Metradiazole???
Can they go directly back into the regular tank once their treatment is done AND the tank has cycled (for the second time )?
Also, to understand a little more about how these things work...why did the second cycle from the live rock cause them to get ick??

Also, just trying to be gentle on the wallet, as live rock from LFS is $9.00 a lb so you are right as to why there isn't 'enough' live rock in the tank as of right now.
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Old 03-24-2009, 06:25 PM   #5
 
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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, got that off my chest.

Don't do ANYTHING yet. DEFINITELY do not take the fish out of that tank yet. The very nature of your questions makes it very clear that there are some knowledge gaps we need to walk threw. I am afraid Conger may have taken for granted some things that would not be obvious to you. Maybe not, but maybe so. Lets be safe rather than sorry later. Fair enough?

For starters, you said the 75 gallon tank is cycled. This is a very "freshwater" ideal that will get you into some serious trouble quick, as you found out. First, lets get the full specs of this tank AND the quarantine tank. How long have they been set up? Exactly what type of filtration? What water parameters are you testing for and what are the results? Also, talk more about the 16 pounds of live rock you just purchased. How long was it at the LFS? Does it stink? What colors are on the rock? Any idea where it is from? (Fiji, Carribean, Tonga, etc.)
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:03 PM   #6
 
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Pasfur is absolutely right, the questions he posed are very important... I just wanted to give you a quick-hitter response (browsing the forum from work... tsk tsk!).


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Also, to understand a little more about how these things work...why did the second cycle from the live rock cause them to get ick??

I actually don't know the reason for certain, though what follows is what my intuition tells me... take it with a grain of salt! I am pretty sure that a stressed fish has a weakened immune system, thus is not able to fight off bad things as well as a completely healthy and happy fish. As far as why ich would pop up, my GUESS would be that some ich parasites or spores may exist in a tank, but are not able to get a good grip on healthy fish... when their immune system is compromised (because of stress or other factors), the ich can take hold and proceed through its lifecycle. Perhaps some of the uncured live rock had some ich "spores" or whatever the proper word is, and they infected the weakened fish (?)

Again, just guesses here, but it might at least be on the right track if nothing else...
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:05 PM   #7
 
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you must be talking about cured rock for $9/pound.

you said you got uncured rock which should be cheap. infact you can find it online cheaper then your store so i suggest looking there.

anyways, i agree with pasfur, must know more about your set-up to help.
welcome to the forum.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:40 PM   #8
 
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Welcom to the forum!
How long have you had the fish in the tank?

The reason you get ich isn't because it just happened, it's something that's introduced into the tank. A tank without ich will not get ich, but a tank without ich that has a fish introduced into the tank and has ich, now has ich. IMHO, you may have got some LR that had some ich living in it temporarily, though that's just a guess. Generaly this parisite will come from the sand or the fish or both, but i guess it could be possible that it came in through the rock... not sure, but i'm going to venture and say it was on the fish.

how long did you quarantine the fish before you added them to the tank? you should wait 3-4wks. i know that seems like really long time(and it is) but ich can not show up until the 3rd week or more, which is why we quarantine for so long.

Further answering of the questions asked will give great insight as to the issue though.

Also, Onefish is right, if you are paying that much for uncured LR, then you're getting jipped and are better off getting base rock (which will run your about $2 per lb) or look for a club in your area and see if you can find a better deal there.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:01 AM   #9
 
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For starters, you said the 75 gallon tank is cycled. This is a very "freshwater" ideal that will get you into some serious trouble quick, as you found out. First, lets get the full specs of this tank AND the quarantine tank. How long have they been set up? Exactly what type of filtration? What water parameters are you testing for and what are the results? Also, talk more about the 16 pounds of live rock you just purchased. How long was it at the LFS? Does it stink? What colors are on the rock? Any idea where it is from? (Fiji, Carribean, Tonga, etc.)
How long have they been set up?
--75 gallon has been set up since late January of this year (around the 20th)
--Just set up quarantine tank on Sunday because of the live rock issue

Exactly what type of filtration?
--Sump (wet/dry)
--Bio balls...and protein skimmer

What water parameters are you testing for and what are the results?
-- Until this past Sunday, the Ammonia had been at 0 (it's at .25 now)
--Nitrites 0 (but will probably go up once ammonia goes down)
--Nitrates fluctuate from 15-40 (I don't understand this either!)
--Ph 8.0 to 8.3 -- Kh 9 drops to change color (it was around 7.7 so added akalinity/ph buffers to get this number up)
--Salinity is around 1.023
--Temp steady at 80 F
(I think this is all!!!)

16 lbs of Live Rock:
Don't know how long it was at the store. The person we buy from is a 'friend', so I guess we trust(ed) him. I would say that I do remember him saying something about the fact that he "just got it in". Yes the live rock does stink...and I should have let that be a red flag not to put it in the tank...but I didn't follow my gut and trusted the LFS guy.

Colors on the rock are a jade green...some majenta...dark browns/blacks. It's very pretty live rock in my opinion. Indo-pacific is maybe where it came from...I know it's not Figi or Tonga...

Yes...this live rock was sold to me at $9.00 a pound...the guy at LFS never said it wasn't cycled but I just assumed it was because of the price and because he knew we were putting the rock into our established tank. Who knows???

Hope this helps!!!

As far as the ICK....what do I do with this fish who still has white bumps all over him (THAT NEVER SEEM TO BUST LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO according to numerous articles regarding Ick)?

Should I just replace all water in the tank?
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:40 AM   #10
 
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your nitrites are coming from your bio balls. when you get more live rock remove them, they are just traping debris and detritus causing excess nutrient buildup ( like nitrates )

do not replace all the water in your tank as that would be complete shock, however a small scale water change would be a good idea. i would do 10 gallons just make sure you pre-mix the water atleast 24 hours in advance with RO/DI water.

what brand/model protien skimmer?
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