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Old 09-05-2012, 11:17 PM   #21
 
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DIY Overflow Using Only PVC Pipe (DIY OVERFLOW PROJECTS)
1"pvc will usually accomadate 600gph, so you'll need a pump that will return up to that after you consider head loss.
Quiet One 3000- 540gph at 5' head.
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So, when the water level lowers past the red tube the siphon will break and i will not flood as long as I calculate the max fill level in my sump? Is this correct? Im very concerned with flooding, and i dont always trust my DIY skills
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:18 AM   #22
 
No, not quite. Once the water goes lower than your intake pipe. Which should onle be an inch or so under water. ( The blue pipe in the tank ) When the water goes lower than this piece, the syphon is lost, thats why you don't want it going very low in the water. Once the syphon is lost, the water will remain in the big U tube on the back of your rig. You should attach a power head to the top air line coming from the overflow, leave the powerhead in the sump, I use an Aqualifter on my overflow, when power is lost the syphon will break. When the power comes on you want the powerhead to suck out the air in the line there, this will restart the syphon.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:58 AM   #23
 
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No, not quite. Once the water goes lower than your intake pipe. Which should onle be an inch or so under water. ( The blue pipe in the tank ) When the water goes lower than this piece, the syphon is lost, thats why you don't want it going very low in the water. Once the syphon is lost, the water will remain in the big U tube on the back of your rig. You should attach a power head to the top air line coming from the overflow, leave the powerhead in the sump, I use an Aqualifter on my overflow, when power is lost the syphon will break. When the power comes on you want the powerhead to suck out the air in the line there, this will restart the syphon.
Aqua Lifter, Aqualifter Pump by Tom AW-20 Drip/Dose | eBay

OK so this may be stupid, but is it a powerhead or a pump, or same thing lol? You said attatch a powerhed and leave it in the sump, but what you linked looks to me like it does not sit in water. But maybe im just not understanding how it works.

I do understand the rest of the overflow setup. Thanks
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:14 AM   #24
 
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OK so this may be stupid, but is it a powerhead or a pump, or same thing lol? You said attatch a powerhed and leave it in the sump, but what you linked looks to me like it does not sit in water. But maybe im just not understanding how it works.

I do understand the rest of the overflow setup. Thanks

Ahhh NVM, I found a video. So the pump is always attatched and on, water from the overflow will go through the pump and into the sump. That way, when the power goes out, and comes back on the sump pump is going to start pumping into the DT and when the water in the DT reaches the blue PVC the pump will start the syphon. If i did not have this pump then the sump would continue to pump water into the DT and it would overflow.

Am i on the right track now??

Would a battery backup be a nice investment? Usually if im to lose power its only a quick surge (its not that common but has happened) so a UPS will keep my equipment running possibly untill the power is back on.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:18 AM   #25
 
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Ahhh NVM, I found a video. So the pump is always attatched and on, water from the overflow will go through the pump and into the sump. That way, when the power goes out, and comes back on the sump pump is going to start pumping into the DT and when the water in the DT reaches the blue PVC the pump will start the syphon. If i did not have this pump then the sump would continue to pump water into the DT and it would overflow.

Am i on the right track now??

Would a battery backup be a nice investment? Usually if im to lose power its only a quick surge (its not that common but has happened) so a UPS will keep my equipment running possibly untill the power is back on.
You've got it now. BAttery back ups are cool things to have, but only for airating the tank.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:21 AM   #26
 
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I'm getting so excited to start this!!!
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:09 AM   #27
 
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Sorry if Im being a pain, i just dont want to move real fast. I want to plan every detail out so I have no $$$$ suprises (and will have better luck with the tank!)

This is my ongoing list of supplies. It is by no means the final list. Im OK with the hardware as stated by reefing, as Long as it works for what i need it. I do have a few questions below. My goal is to get both tanks cleaned up and at my apartment, have the sump chambers planned out, have a full equipment list planned out, and a stock list planned out this weekend. Then im going to start by building the over flow and sump. Making sure It all works, then ill start ordering everything else.

I thank everyone again for all their help!



Protein Skimmer (if sump permits, I would like to buy the bigger one) - $80 or $130 http://znnea.rmuvx.servertrust.com/default.asp

Powerhead (I wanna do 20x because I do plan on keeping some kind of coral, whatever works in my tank. I also figure having two smaller is better than one larger, so if one fails ill at least have some flow. Until I can replace. Make sense?) - $32 - Two 290gph Powerhead/Pump For Aquarium Reef Fish Coral | eBay


Refractometer – 27 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RHS-10ATC-0-10-Salinity-Refractometer-Salt-Water-Aquarium-/280922112077?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416843 404d&afsrc=1


Sump return Pump - $70
http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-One-Aquarium-Pump-3000/dp/B000256E6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346992554&sr=8-1&keywords=quiet+one+3000"><font face=http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-One-Aquarium-Pump-3000/dp/B000256E6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346992554&sr=8-1&keywords=quiet+one+3000" /> http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-One-Aquarium-Pump-3000/dp/B000256E6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346992554&sr=8-1&keywords=quiet+one+3000">http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-One-Aquarium-Pump-3000/dp/B000256E6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346992554&sr=8-1&keywords=quiet+one+3000


DIY Overflow - $20 http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects/diy-overflow/120.asp


Overflow Pump $20 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aqua-Lifter-Aqualifter-Pump-by-Tom-AW-20-Drip-Dose-NIB-/320697560750?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aab10 6eae&afsrc=1


Test Kits – Looks like it will be around $50 for everything Total. Is Liquid API OK or are there better brands.


Heater- I have 3 heaters, just need to confirm Watts and test them all out.


Lights - Can you suggest something for my dual t-8. I would like to start with that now as I assume it will be OK for the fish and maybe some coral. I can always upgrade it when I get more into coral and all.


Rock – So Do I need 50 pounds, or 25? Since the DT is 25gal and the sump is 20, how much is the “minimum” i need. I will buy that minimum in dry and get a few pounds of live to seed.


Sand – All live sand? Prepackaged or something better like from an online vendor?
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:15 AM   #28
 
Just 25lbs LR is what you would need to start for a FOWLR.
Live Sand or all dead substrate, all up to you.
I use API Test kits. There are better, and much more expensive ones out there. Salifert. Hanna.
Lights at T-8, 10-12k lamps. One Actinic one white.
MARINE-GLO ACTINIC AQUARIUM SALTWATER BULB T8 30W 36" | eBay
My bad, I don't know how long your fixture is.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:43 AM   #29
 
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Just 25lbs LR is what you would need to start for a FOWLR.
Live Sand or all dead substrate, all up to you.
I use API Test kits. There are better, and much more expensive ones out there. Salifert. Hanna.
Lights at T-8, 10-12k lamps. One Actinic one white.
MARINE-GLO ACTINIC AQUARIUM SALTWATER BULB T8 30W 36" | eBay
My bad, I don't know how long your fixture is.
Ocean Sun Fluorescent T-8 Lamp - 10,000k - 15W - 18 in. | ThatPetPlace.com
Coral Sun 420nm T8 Actinic Fluorescent Lamp - 18 in. | ThatPetPlace.com

Even with the length difference these prices are alot cheaper then what you linked. Are they lesser quality or the wrong Bulbs?
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:39 AM   #30
 
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Bleh, im having such a hard time trying to plan this sump. Im just not good with this kinda stuff. This is what I have so far. Top View



The skimmer dimensions are 4.25" L x 7" W x 17" H .

Im not sure if I can put a seperate intake chamber that way as i donno how the skimmer would fit.

I also dont know how tall the baffles should be. I assume like 13 inches?

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Any of this making sense? Am i on the right track? Please help :)

Note : drawings not to scale
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