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Setting up a salt water tank for the first time

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Setting up a salt water tank for the first time
Old 01-05-2009, 04:04 PM   #21
 
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and I didnt say I knew saltwater. I just said people at petstores aren't considered pros. I would consider a home breeder a pro.
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:39 PM   #22
 
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I personally think this thread is hilarious, not that i would ever encourage such conversation.-)

Ok, so lets talk fish again. Why does this thread exist? What exactly are we talking about again. I can't recall the topic at this point.
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:41 PM   #23
 
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he wants to setup a salt tank and people say he isnt ready because he cant even breed guppies. and he wants a 75 to 100 gal saltwater and the biggest he had was 40 gal freshwater
thats what this threads about.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:24 PM   #24
 
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I personally think this thread is hilarious, not that i would ever encourage such conversation.-)

Ok, so lets talk fish again. Why does this thread exist? What exactly are we talking about again. I can't recall the topic at this point.
You were teaching S/W Basics 101 for us noobs until the thread was hijacked by the Hatfields & McCoys
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:48 PM   #25
 
I'm not into saltwater but was enjoying the SW Basics101 class until the family feud interrupted it. lol
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:10 PM   #26
 
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lol.

ill sum it up, but by know means is it this easy.
READ, everything and anything saltwater related READ. The "research stage" is a good time to save money, saltwater tanks are by no means cheap. If you find out how to do things right the first time, they can be done cheaper, but will still come at a cost.
The basics of a reef tank are good lighting, good flow, and a good protein skimmer. Really this is what it comes down to IMO, is that all you need? ofcourse not. A deep, undisturbed sand bed and about 1-1.5 lbs of rock will act as your filtration (in tandem with the protein skimmer) if you choose a HOB filter or canister filter be prepared to clean it every few days, weekly at a minimum. I highly recommend not doing this. Learn about sumps and refugiums as they are greatly benificial in increasing water volume, hiding equipment, harboring macro algaes and even cultivating pods. Read about dosing magnesium, alkalinity and calcium. These are the main 3 things that make up the water chemistry and all go hand and hand. Read about R/O water (reverse osmosis) as you will not be using tap water in a salt water tank. Ill stop here and say it again. READ and ask questions youll be off to a good start. You may also want to look for a local reefing club in your area, mine cost $12 a year and has been the best thing i think ive ever joined. I get equipment very cheap, meet and learn from others with the same interest and so forth. Again, do your reasearch and ask questions.
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Old 01-07-2009, 10:45 AM   #27
 
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I second everything onefish2fish just said.

Pasfur, you had an interesting point earlier, describing a potential low-cost setup based on a HOB skimmer, DSB, and a small amount of live rock. Adding up the (approximate) cost in my head, that could indeed come out to under $1000, which would be quite a feat for a 75 gallon saltwater tank! Kudos :) Without mention of powerheads or lighting, it would be safe to assume that such a system would be fish and clean-up crew only, correct?

Original poster (OP), what do you think of that? Is that what you are envisioning, or were you wanting to get into keeping corals as well? In general, I agree with what most have said in this thread, that most likely seting up a typical saltwater tank of 75-100 gallons is going to run at least a couple of thousand... that's assuming you go with a sump & return pump, decent skimmer, good lighting (even if its PC), good powerheads, live rock, DSB, R/O unit, supplements, etc. However, Pasfur described a very viable saltwater setup for much less, but as he mentioned, you would be restricted on what you could keep.

Lets hear some more from the OP on what your particular goals are for the tank?
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:55 AM   #28
 
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he probably wont see this. much anymore, he was on vacation with highspeed and now hes back home with dial up.
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:23 AM   #29
 
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lol.

A deep, undisturbed sand bed and about 1-1.5 lbs of rock will act as your filtration (in tandem with the protein skimmer)
I am going to go out on a limb here and pretend to be a moderator for just a second...

I am pretty certain, not positive, but pretty certain that Onfish2fish intended to say "1-1.5 lbs of live rock PER GALLON".
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:41 AM   #30
 
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Pasfur, you had an interesting point earlier, describing a potential low-cost setup based on a HOB skimmer, DSB, and a small amount of live rock. Adding up the (approximate) cost in my head, that could indeed come out to under $1000, which would be quite a feat for a 75 gallon saltwater tank! Kudos :) Without mention of powerheads or lighting, it would be safe to assume that such a system would be fish and clean-up crew only, correct?
Basically, yes. But I think we somethings get so caught up in the technology that we forget what can be accomplished with very low tech systems.

For example, my first ever reef tank was a soft coral tank with 4 full spectrum bulbs. Not compact florescent, not even VHO. Just plain old full spectrum 40 watt bulbs over a 55 gallon aquarium. There are a handful of corals that will do just fine in this type setup. Granted, you are VERY restricted in what you can keep, but you CAN have a reef. Throw on an eBay purchased protein skimmer for $50, a couple mail ordered power heads or that HOB filter in your closet for circulation, some recycled tufa rock for the base and 20 lbs of live rock, and suddenly you've got a very low cost reef.

Another example that comes to mind is a conversation I had with Jullian Sprung during a MACNA conference. He was in the stocking phase of an aquarium that utilized a protein skimmer and deep sand bed, with NO LIVE ROCK of significance. The point of his comments was that we get to hung up on using large sums of live rock when aquariums can achieve a natural stability with a DSB if properly stocked and properly skimmed. This is beyond the reach of the everyday reefkeeper, but shows what can be done with patience and understanding.

Yet another example is a long time internet friend of mine on another site who still uses U/G filters on his fish only marine systems, and he is extremely successful. He does a lot of water changes and keeps his tanks gently stocked with sturdy fish, but he has low cost setups that he enjoys.

Naturally, the hobby has evolved. Technology has made our lives much easier. But I would personally not let cost get in the way of someones desire to enjoy the hobby.
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