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Old 01-06-2010, 06:48 AM   #21
 
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That picture is exactly what every FoxFace looks like every morning. Perfectly normal.

Everything seems to be moving fine. I would wait for Nitrite to register zero, and at that point take a sample of water to the LFS (local fish store) to have tested for Ammonia. Ammonia will be zero also, i'm sure.

In your tank Nitrate will work a bit differently. It will continue to rise slowly due to the filtration system. Give it time, and a few months after your addition of more live rock and removal of the biowheels the nitrate should begin to drop.

Your Calcium and Alkalinity look good. I would test both 2 times per week and keep a log of the results. Over time you will be able to predict how much you need to dose between tests to keep them from dropping. Realize, as you add more fish both will deplete faster. Also, as you begin to get coraline algae growth the calcium will deplete faster.

Your goal is nice growth of coraline algae. When coraline is present it is very difficult for other bad algaes to grow, such as hair algae, bubble algae, and even cynobacteria. All of these harm your system in different ways.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:54 PM   #22
 
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If that is the way they are suppose to look in the morning that is fine, but this is how he looks nearly 90% of the time. That picture was taken well after the light was turned on.I came home tonight at 9pm and of course he is the same way and the light has been on since 8am. I guess I thought when I purchased this fish I was getting a fish that would be active based on what I was told. The Sailfin Tang was the one I thought would hide more and he has been great. Like people fish are not created equal and have a mind of their own . I guess I got the grumpy one

I will keep a log starting with last nights readings

My rock was shipped so I hope to have it by the weekend to start the process of getting rid of my Emperor and finishing my cycle.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:24 PM   #23
 
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It is unusual for the FoxFace to have that appearance so often. It is certainly a sign of stress. You are correct that they are an open water swimmer and generally one of the fish that you should always see swimming around.

Really not much you can do other than keep a close eye on it to ensure it is not being dominated by another fish.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:37 PM   #24
 
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I have noticed that the Sailfin Tang and FoxFace are always together (when he is swimming around) and that sometimes the Foxface appears to be scared of the Sailfin or submissive. Oh well, l don't want to beat a dead horse here I'm stuck with him and hopefully he comes around.

Based on the test strips I have it looks like the Nitrite is either 0 or really close. The Nitrate looks lower than 20 but the PH looked like it dropped between 7.5-8.0. The KH is still about 180+ or 10/11 dkh. I will take it to the LFS tomorrow and have them test it to be sure.

My rock is scheduled for delivery on Saturday. I believe you said to put it in a bucket of saltwater with a power head overnight to ensure no die off happens. I assume you mean cycled saltwater which I do not have just sitting around. I only have what is in my tank. Will freshly mixed saltwater due? You also said put ďa few piecesĒ in the bucket, does that mean once a few test fine than they all will and can be added to the tank or did you mean put all the rock through that cycle a few pieces at a time? Sorry If Iím being too precise but I just want to make sure it is done correctly.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:59 PM   #25
 
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I would go ahead and mix a bucket of saltwater Friday and have it ready for the rock on Saturday. (Actually, you may as well put the 5 new gallons into the tank, and drain 5 gallons from the tank to put the rock in.)

Anyhow, I think all the rock will be fine. But I figure you may as well test a few pieces in the bucket just to be safe. Normally I wouldn't even worry about it, but having just finished your cycle you can't be to safe.
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:39 PM   #26
 
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Question about my clown fish and tank temp.
I have been worried about my Foxface but have just accepted that he will just get stressed more than I thought, but now the clown fish are acting weird. The use to swim around a lot and would not be scared to come to the front of the tank when I'm there. Now they have been hanging in the back sometimes virtually motionless resting their belly on the sand and even kind of leaning over almost on their side. I have also noticed the bigger one resting on the live rock kind of like a Hawk fish would. The water is getting better and the only thing that changed was the temp in the tank. So again I'm confused and would have expected things to get better with better water quality. The tank was at 76 but I moved it up to 78 to help fight decease due to stress from the water quality. Is 78 too high? Is this normal behavior for clown fish or is this an indication something is wrong?

I took my water to the LFS for testing. They said it showed a little Nitrite about 0.5 and about 20 Nitrate. They said the Alkalinity was about 160ppm or 9 dkh which is a little different than what it looks like on my strips so I bought a liquid KH test to use from now on. They said my calcium was fine but said again that did not really matter with a FOWLR tank, only with coral. He said my phosphate was a little high and my salinity was 1.026 which was not what I read earlier in the week. I had it between 1.023-1.024.

Also the LFS keeps telling me to buy RO water and not to use tap water. Is there any real big difference?
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:33 AM   #27
 
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For anyone keeping a reef, using RO water is nearly a requirement to avoid problems with algae. In a FOWLR, I see no problem at all using tap water with Amquel, or a similar water conditioner. Using RO water is certainly the more conservative approach, and not bad advice.

I see no problem at all with your readings, other than still waiting for nitrite to drop to zero.

As for the clownfish, the behavior is a change in behavior, which should raise red flags. But it is not really unusual behavior for a clownfish. Sometimes when kept in systems without an anemone Clownfish will adapt an area of the tank to hang out in, and often display behavior similar to hosting. My Clarkii Clownfish sits in the corner of my tank every night to sleep. It just sits on the substrate and fans the substrate, moving back and forth like it is hosting in an anemone.
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:55 AM   #28
 
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What about the temp change from 76 to 78? Is 78 better, worse or makes no difference? As you can see from my screen name picture the clown would be very active in the front of the tank. They have not been very active or near the front most of the week. I guess it’s the near motionless state and the leaning over as if it is taking it’s last breath is the part that concerns me not necessarily the part that they have selected the back of the tank for hosting. I guess all I can do is keep a close eye on them, but there is nothing I can really do.

I bought a Rubbermaid 18 gal tub for the rock to go in, but I had to take out about 6 gallons and add another 6 fresh gallons to get enough water in it to put the rock in. I did not want to take out 12 gallons from the tank as I thought it would be too much water change. What is normally a good water change in terms of gallons?

This also allowed me to reduce the salinity back down to 1.022-1.023 thinking maybe the clowns had an issue with the higher salinity. I also raised the KH back up to 10/11 dkh using the Kent Marine SB.

Question about the liquid test for KH. It says count the drops until the blue turns to bright yellow. At 10 drops it turned from blue to a sort of yellow and at 11 it turned yellow. So is it 10 or 11 since at 10 it was no longer blue but not yet bright yellow either?
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:36 AM   #29
 
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Here are a few pictures of what is going on pretty much all day. They are a little blurry but it was the best that I could get.
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:37 PM   #30
 
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What about the temp change from 76 to 78? Is 78 better, worse or makes no difference?

Question about the liquid test for KH. It says count the drops until the blue turns to bright yellow. At 10 drops it turned from blue to a sort of yellow and at 11 it turned yellow. So is it 10 or 11 since at 10 it was no longer blue but not yet bright yellow either?
On temperature, it really makes no difference. I suppose 78 gives you a couple extra degrees to play with if the power goes out and your takes starts to cool down.

The reading occurred at 11 drops. There is always a point where it starts to turn, which is what you saw at 10 drops, and then completely turns on the next drop.

I'm not sure what to make of the Clownfish. I see that they have fanned the sand away and are laying right next to the bare area, which is typical behavior. However, it is not typical that they stay and hide in that spot on a continuous basis. All of this is probably a result of the lack of stability in your tank over the last couple of weeks.
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