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Plumbing a sump, the idea makes me want to cry
Old 10-22-2011, 04:00 PM   #1
 
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Plumbing a sump, the idea makes me want to cry

Man, do I feel disgruntled. And humiliated! As a male, I am supposed to be Mr. Handy! Well, I have jack squat for plumbing experience. And as I am going to be including a sump in my reef tank, I need to get it right. I can't afford a 75 gallon flood in the middle of the living room. (Reefmadness, I know you're out there...and reading this...*evil eyes*)

I understand the concept, the purpose of all chambers in a sump, the overflow, the skimmer, the phosban reactor, refugium, trickle filter, etc etc. I want it all. I just need a solid STEP-BY-STEP DIY walkthrough for this. My father is very plumbing-savvy (general contractor, owned his own business for years) and could definitely help me with this.

For a general idea, I have a 30g high glass tank which I could convert into a sump. Hell, I wanna do this right. I'd even make my own acrylic sump if needed, money isn't an issue on this piece of equipment. Or if anyone knows a good place to purchase quality sumps that can be shipped (I live in Connecticut), let me know. The main tank is going to be anywhere from 55 to 90 gallons, depending on what is available at the time in my budget and local area.

I just need some help. I feel like this is going to be the backbone of the success of my tank, and it's the one piece of the puzzle I find daunting. Everything else I can handle no problemo.

Thanks in advance guys (and girls!).
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Old 10-22-2011, 04:32 PM   #2
 
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Man, do I feel disgruntled. And humiliated! As a male, I am supposed to be Mr. Handy! Well, I have jack squat for plumbing experience. And as I am going to be including a sump in my reef tank, I need to get it right. I can't afford a 75 gallon flood in the middle of the living room. (Reefmadness, I know you're out there...and reading this...*evil eyes*)

I understand the concept, the purpose of all chambers in a sump, the overflow, the skimmer, the phosban reactor, refugium, trickle filter, etc etc. I want it all. I just need a solid STEP-BY-STEP DIY walkthrough for this. My father is very plumbing-savvy (general contractor, owned his own business for years) and could definitely help me with this.

For a general idea, I have a 30g high glass tank which I could convert into a sump. Hell, I wanna do this right. I'd even make my own acrylic sump if needed, money isn't an issue on this piece of equipment. Or if anyone knows a good place to purchase quality sumps that can be shipped (I live in Connecticut), let me know. The main tank is going to be anywhere from 55 to 90 gallons, depending on what is available at the time in my budget and local area.

I just need some help. I feel like this is going to be the backbone of the success of my tank, and it's the one piece of the puzzle I find daunting. Everything else I can handle no problemo.

Thanks in advance guys (and girls!).
1" overflow pvc lines from overflow to sump. Water return pump sits in end sump chamber, using 3/4" lines to return the water. You want a return pump with head loss to be close to your overflow gph. For it being close, you can make a T just a few inches off the return line, so that it goes right back to the sump, this allows for a dial in of water flow using a ball valve inline, so we have no overflows anywhere.
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This one to big?
Any questions, just give a shout. I'll do what I can. If you buy a Sump, they usually some with on overflow line. You may have to buy the overflow. All depends on which one you get.

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Old 10-22-2011, 04:49 PM   #3
 
Just thought of somehting too. If your not sure on how to pvc the plumbing just get the flex tubing for overflow and return then. That will make it easier on you. Makes it a little tougher to make a T off the return to add a ball valve to fine tune it though.
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Old 10-22-2011, 05:53 PM   #4
 
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1" overflow pvc lines from overflow to sump. Water return pump sits in end sump chamber, using 3/4" lines to return the water. You want a return pump with head loss to be close to your overflow gph. For it being close, you can make a T just a few inches off the return line, so that it goes right back to the sump, this allows for a dial in of water flow using a ball valve inline, so we have no overflows anywhere.
RS_75 | ESHOPPS - Manufacturer of Aquarium Filtrations
This one to big?
Any questions, just give a shout. I'll do what I can. If you buy a Sump, they usually some with on overflow line. You may have to buy the overflow. All depends on which one you get.

I am researching and learning about sumps as well. Would something like below be preferabe to what you recommended? Just asking as this seems closer to what I am seeing a lot of people doing.

http://www.eshopps.com/images/products/r100.jpg
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:48 PM   #5
 
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I am researching and learning about sumps as well. Would something like below be preferabe to what you recommended? Just asking as this seems closer to what I am seeing a lot of people doing.

http://www.eshopps.com/images/products/r100.jpg
Thats a refugium, as it will keep water level in the center. Nothing wrong with that one either.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:59 PM   #6
 
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1" overflow pvc lines from overflow to sump. Water return pump sits in end sump chamber, using 3/4" lines to return the water. You want a return pump with head loss to be close to your overflow gph. For it being close, you can make a T just a few inches off the return line, so that it goes right back to the sump, this allows for a dial in of water flow using a ball valve inline, so we have no overflows anywhere.
RS_75 | ESHOPPS - Manufacturer of Aquarium Filtrations
This one to big?
Any questions, just give a shout. I'll do what I can. If you buy a Sump, they usually some with on overflow line. You may have to buy the overflow. All depends on which one you get.
I'm ignorant to the whole thing. I know water flows into the overflow, and then pumped down into the sump. I just want a full, complete, idiotic breakdown.

So the overflow is a HOB deal? Or does it sit partially submerged in the tank? (This is assuming we don't have overflow holes drilled into the back of the tank - in which case, is that like the overflow in my bathroom sink? The water just flows over the glass? Or do I place a part or PVC tube there to catch water directly?)

So from the overflow, we have a powerhead pushing the water down into the sump? Or does the mechanics of the sump down below automatically push the water into the overflow, and towards the sump?

So now it's in the sump. It'll go through let's say, a trickle filter? Then it comes out the trickle filter into the first, big chamber. Would this be considered the refugium, where I could possibly put an invert or two, a piece of live rock, sand, etc?
It then trickles into the third chamber, which would be where the protein skimmer and return is included? Another powerhead would direct the flow back up into the main tank, correct?

I am thinking off of a simple design I saw you post a few days/weels ago:
Sump - Model E SUMP E
Melevsreef.com | Acrylic Sumps & Refugiums SUMP F - Seems really simple, until I see this post-install picture and my mind goes bananas:


Trying to work out the basic plumbing knowledge in my head, where everything like equipment and powerheads will go, and how to work it.

Melevsreef.com | Acrylic Sumps & Refugiums
actually describes it entirely, I just want to make sure I have FULL knowledge of what I'm talking about before I start buying equipment. I don't want to misunderstand the basic model, and waste my time (or you guys, when I come crying for answers to my questions) and money. Words like baffle, ball valve, etc make me go DUH.

Thanks :P

And sadly, it's the kind of thing where if I could go to somebody's house, look at their marine tank sump, have them spend 10 minutes explaining it to me and hands-on answer my questions, I'd have full understanding and confidence. But there are no LFS around me to help, and no friends of mine are in the hobby. Blah.

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Old 10-22-2011, 07:28 PM   #7
 
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Understanding Sumps

That thread should be a goddamn sump diary. How did I miss that sticky. /facepalm
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:18 PM   #8
 
LMAO. You got it now?
And overflow creates suction flow, there is no pump pushing water to the sump, it just goes down by gravity. Your return pump pushes the water back up to the tank, it really is that easy. a 1" pvc pipe has 600gph gravity flow to the sump, so you should have a 600gph returning it, or 750 with head loss. A T in the return line with a ball valve going back into the sump so you can really dial in the return flow to match the overflow box.
Those other lines you see in that pic is, one is the T, another runs water into the right side, hell if I know why though. Other lines into the back side are either top offs or a dump line and re-fill line. Normally you jus tare looking at 2 lines, one from overflow and one to the tank.
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:08 AM   #9
 
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From personal spill experience, make sure you invest in CHECK VALVES in case of power loss (especially on the return line from the sump back up to display tank). I bet its in that thread somewhere but I just want to re-mention it.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:27 PM   #10
 
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i know its not my thread, but would also be beneficial to the poster, but my biggest fear is, power loss, excess water draining into sump.. now i know you can design the sump and overflow to handle extra water, but when power is restored and return pump kicks on and emptys the sump, then running dry and burning up.... reefmaddnes you helped me with this befor, said to use a (i think liftmaster) pump to remove air from u tube in overflow, thus restarting the syphon(hopefully) i just dont like hopefully...lol... op just one more thing to think about.
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