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Old 09-05-2012, 04:52 PM   #11
 
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i didnt realize you were running a skimmer, so yes, get rid of the canister filter unless you currently do not have anything else for water flow, then run the canister empty until you can get a few powerheads for water flow. if you already have powerheads, do yourself the favor of loosing the canister filter.
damsels seem like a great add, theyre cheap, active swimmers that are reef safe but are not fish safe. they are very nasty fish, even to those larger in size. they might be fine at first, but in time they become very aggressive.
maybe go with a pair of clowns to start and then eventually a watchman goby and pistol shrimp, the kids will get a kick out of that symbiotic relationship.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:34 PM   #12
 
So, would keeping the canister harm the system? Or would it just be extra work and no benefit? It's hard for me to wrap my brain around the idea of not having a filter.
Also, would you keep the skimmer for sure? The guy at the store told me I was crazy for buying the skimmer. I was trusting "saltwater aquariums for Dummys" book over the 20 year old helping me.
BTW, I scooped the worm out. put it under the microscope. pretty cool. the kids loved it. I have microscope video. the thing looks prehistoric.
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:42 PM   #13
 
You can keep the canister running if you wish, jus tto run carbon once in awhile, or GFO, which removes phosphates. Or take it out of the system until you need it. They can actually get you into water parameter trouble, causing high Nitrates. Your Live Rock and Sand acrually carries all the beneficial bacteria you system needs, thats one reason why there is a recommened minimum of Live Rock needed.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:01 AM   #14
 
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The canister is a good way to add flow to your tank. Just run it empty, and like RM said, add carbon or GFO to polish the water if needed. If there is no sponge or other detritus collecting media in the canister, then you should not have any nitrate problems.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:46 PM   #15
 
Bummer that I spent the money on the canister filter. I'll pull the sponge. Then leave the carbon? Remove the bio-balls? Sorry for being a newbe, but is GFO the flossy filter? It's a Marineland 160
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:32 PM   #16
 
You can run carbon from time to time, but I would not run it 24-7, as this has been suspect in HLLE in Salt Water Fish. GFO is Granular Feric Oxide. Yiu don't need the floss either.
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:11 AM   #17
 
Well it's been a week now with Live Rock and Live sand. Plenty of water circulation with a pump. temp hovers around 78. Specific Gravity at 1.024. Ph 8.2. but Ammonia Nitrite and Nitrate are all 0.0. I measure every day and nothing is budging. Tank is 30g.
Should I do the raw, dead shrimp? Should I do the Snails? Should I sacrafice a real fish??? DID I KILL MY ROCK AND SAND?
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:31 PM   #18
 
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Well it's been a week now with Live Rock and Live sand. Plenty of water circulation with a pump. temp hovers around 78. Specific Gravity at 1.024. Ph 8.2. but Ammonia Nitrite and Nitrate are all 0.0. I measure every day and nothing is budging. Tank is 30g.
Should I do the raw, dead shrimp? Should I do the Snails? Should I sacrafice a real fish??? DID I KILL MY ROCK AND SAND?
Easy. You'll be fine. I always suggest that one run a tank for a few months without livestock to make sure no problems arise. If you can run a tank without fish and not have an issue for a month or two, then the next step is to add a fish. You are on the right path. Continue to run the tank and if nothing happens as far as a nitrite, nitrate or ammonia spike you should be fine. Test Calcium and Alkalinity. Make sure they are at Cal: 400-450 ppm and Alk: 8-12 dKH.

Your rock and sand should be fine. I see no reason that the bacteria would have been wiped out. Continue to post your parameters and plans here.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:38 PM   #19
 
I think all is ok. At the urging of the local fish shop, I added 2 damsels to jump start it last Friday. I think it worked. My ammonia is at .5, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5.0, pH 8.2-8.4 (colors are so close). Keeping specific gravity at 1.024-1.025. Temp hovers between 77.5 and 79.0. The light really heats things up quickly. I also got a CUC of 5 tiny hermits and 5 small snails. The brown ditritius (sp?) is forming on the sand, but just a bit in a few areas. The damsels are quick and active, not really bothering eachother too much. So I believe I just sit tight for 4 to 6 weeks and wait for levels to go to 0.0. I'm planning on 15% water changes along the way, along with the normal up-keep.
Tank is about 30 gal. About 3" of live sand. About 15lbs of live rock. Calcium is at about 360. I couldn't find an Alkaline test kit. They ordered one for me. PetSmart and PetCo also didn't have it.
The Protein skimmer hasn't produced any foam, but I was thinking the bioload is so small that it might take a while.

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Old 09-19-2012, 08:23 PM   #20
 
You told me so. I returned the damsels. They were happy to take them back. I replaced with 2 clowns. much nicer.
All seems well. I added a bit more live rock. Added 5 different soft corals.
Tank parameters seem good. Nitrate likes to hang out around 5-10 no matter what I do. But the others are on target. Took all your advise on running the can once in a while. Removed bio-balls and sponge. just has floss and the activated charcoal bags. Water is crystal clear.
The Reef LED light seems to be growing quite a bit of brown algea on the sand. I'm guessing I just deal with it. Was thinking of vacuuming it out. But am open to ideas.
It's been almost 2 weeks with live fish. I was thinking of adding some cleaner shrimps or gobis. thought the gobis would help with the sand.
Any thoughts?
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