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Old 10-12-2007, 11:29 PM   #11
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yep, that would be fine for just the 2, but would still mean frequent water changes as they grow... they both get quite large.
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:51 PM   #12
Actually there are smaller puffers like the Valentine puffer that could go in a 55 fine it's a little less aggressive than a dog faced etc. I think it would be fine with a lion fish as long as it could not fit in it's mouth. Also they have dwarf lion fish as well that look just like the larger ones that you could put in there. Mabey a triger or eel and you have a nice little tank! But most eels that I know of get big and your talking 125 again! Also if it gets that big kiss your valentine goodbye! Pun intended
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:01 PM   #13
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Valentini's commonly stress badly, and the biggest problem in keeping them is in getting them to eat. They are not as "sturdy" as the dogface. They are slow growing and top out around 5 inches or so.

Other than that, they're cool little fish, but I agree you can't mix them with an eel... even a snowflake eel would be too much for a Valentini. Just as for the porcupine, you'd want to make sure not to mix them with anything that might pick on them.

Dwarf lions are cool, just watch out for those spines, they are just as venomous and aggressive as the full size lions such as volitans. If working with the 55 I would suggest as much live rock as you can get in to help with filtration, sand as a stubstrate as the dwarf lions spend much more time hanging out "sitting" on things, like the bottom and rock formations... and really good filtration. Watch the species of dwarf lion if you go that route, some can get as large as 12 inches, and will outgrow a 55 gallon tank AND a valentini puffer quite soon.

If you need more specifics about these fish, let us know and we will help all we can.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:54 AM   #14
that valentini puffer fish looks really nice but living on an island so far away from everything i believe my choices are slightly more limited - i`ll visit the petstore soon and let you know what is available!
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Old 10-20-2007, 03:49 PM   #15
okay so in a fish only tank . will the filtration process take less time?
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Old 10-20-2007, 04:10 PM   #16
Fish only? No live rock? Are you refering to the cycle? That's a good question, but you would need hardy fish. And it is reccomended that you use live rock, and I think live rock would take less time about 2 weeks. Where as the typical fish cycle takes about a month. But you always could try a marine bacteria additive I think they help jump start the cycle and then if you really wanted to you would not have to use live rock. it would also be eaiser on the fish.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:47 AM   #17
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I'm not sure I understood that last question...???
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:38 AM   #18
basically i think i confused myself! assuming i wanted just the 2 fish in the tank - i thought most of the cycling process was so the coral and live rock could adjust! so i thought if it was fish only then would the cycling process take less time? making any sense? :p
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:53 PM   #19
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Ok, I think I understand your question, and while the question itself makes sense now, the "subject content" does not.

The nitrogen cycle is something that happens in every tank, you can't avoid it, and it can be very dangerous if it isn't stable.... for fish, inverts, anything living in the tank.

The nitrogen cycle is the course of good bacteria building up in the tank to break down the waste products in the tank to a safer form. This is where water testing becomes so important. While every tank will go through this "cycling" process, some do it faster than others, and it's important to know that the first stages of the cycle are known to be toxic to the animals (fish as well as inverts).

An average saltwater tank will take approximately 6 - 8 wks to cycle. During this time ammonia will peak to a toxic level. As the good bacteria begins to grow, it feeds on the ammonia, which breaks it down. The waste product from the bacteria eating the ammonia is then called nitrite. More bacteria will feed on the nitrite, and break it down, thus creating nitrate as the waste product. In fresh water, the only way to remove nitrate is with water changes and live plants to help eat the nitrates. (Nitrates in freshwater is plant fertilizer). In saltwater, howerver, there are more bacteria that will eventually break down "some" of the nitrate level as well.

Ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates in a high level are all toxic to fish and inverts.

When beginning a new saltwater tank, there are basic steps that need to be taken before adding any animals to the tank.
1. add water
2. add salt until specific gravity/salinity (spg) are 1.023 (this will usually take a few days to mix completely for an accurate reading) This is also a good time to add the heater and set it for 76 degrees
3. once spg is where it should be at 1.023, and temp is stable at 76, then we add live sand and live rock (in most cases). The small organisms and bacteria in the live sand and live rock will help to get your cycle started.
4. patience... wait... test water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, calcium until everything is stable where it should be, which is ammonia at 0, nitrite at 0, nitrate should be low, 20 or less... pH is safe between 8.2 - 8.5 for saltwater, calcium should be between 400 - 500
5. small water change to help relieve any nitrate buildup
6. add first animal(s), only 1 - 2 at a time, especially in a smaller tank (55 gallons or less)
7. wait at least 2 wks before adding next animals, with a small water change in between

It is always suggested to use live rock in a saltwater tank. Live rock is where much of your bacteria culture will grow. Without it, or some type of porous rock that can be cured over time and turned into live rock... the bacteria then only has the sandbed to grow in, which is not usually sufficient enough to sustain a saltwater tank long term. Live rock in the amount of 1 lb per gallon (or as close to it as you can get) of the tank is the reccomended quantity
If you use a bacteria starter, such as "biozyme", the bateria still needs to culture and grow in the tank before adding the fish.

When working with live rock it is important to know that the changes in conditions and the level of curring it has had will determine the amount of "die off" it produces, but anything that was previously on the rock such as algae and other matter will begin to break down, which then turns to ammonia and must go through the nitrogen cycle process to properly break down and become safe and stable. This is the reason I always suggest waiting at least a few wks and doing testing during this time before adding fish.

Saltwater isn't really any harder than freshwater, but it will usually take more time and require more patience and attention on your part to become and remain stable..

Does this help?
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:04 AM   #20
yes very much thanks alot :) so if i plan to start my tank at about xmas i`m looking at february for adding my puffer?
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