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Old 02-28-2007, 06:56 PM   #11
 
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The pipes in my house are copper. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it's building code...where I live at least. That's a really good idea to test out an inexpensive coral though!
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:06 PM   #12
 
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Hamdogg I will attest that most freshwater bits have no purpose in a reef tank. Trust me you'll end up spending three times the amount necessary to warp a fish only into a reef. Not to mention your substrate and possibly your rock will be "spoiled" due to the excessive nutrient waste from a typical FO system. You'll end up replacing the sand as it'll be packed with algae causign nutrients left over from the fish themselves.

It is your choice, and by swaying away from all advice given to justify the switch by the one answer that says do it, but it will be much better to pick one goal and follow it through. That being said, I don't think you like that answer.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:30 PM   #13
 
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I have a feeling that I am coming across as less of a naive newcomer and more of an impatient college kid.

My thought process was that I could use the tank that I have right now (a 75 gallon glass tank that is currently set up for freshwater with a bio-wheel filter), and buy a protein skimmer, crushed coral, and live rock. From what I've looked up, you can run a fish only tank on that equipment. A local fish store uses the hang on back bio-wheel filters on their tanks so I thought that it would be ok.

The following purchases would go in an order like this:
-New filter (I'm still a little confused about the whole sump thing...)
-Powerheads
-Chiller (I don't have AC and it got pretty hot this summer)
-Metal Halide lamps
-Corals

I was under the impression that you'd need a certain number of pieces of equipment for a reef tank, and only a portion of that SAME equipment for a FOWLR. The reason for seeking out the minimum equipment is because I would like to at least start out with a saltwater tank of any type, and be able to slowly add equipment and the livestock each piece supports.

How does substrate get spoiled in a fish only tank but not in a reef tank? I was planning on stocking the FO tank with the same fish as the reef tank. I'm not trying to argue, I am just confused. I'm also completely open to any more explanations as to why this plan is not cost effective or smart.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:04 PM   #14
 
Ok mike about the whole spoiling your substrate thing, iv heard you say it yourself that sand is sand, can be washed.


''My thought process was that I could use the tank that I have right now (a 75 gallon glass tank that is currently set up for freshwater with a bio-wheel filter), and buy a protein skimmer, crushed coral, and live rock. From what I've looked up, you can run a fish only tank on that equipment. A local fish store uses the hang on back bio-wheel filters on their tanks so I thought that it would be ok. ''

Mike is just triing to say that your gunna spend some more money if you do a fish only then transfer to a reef. But Your using most of your freshwater gear anyway..... and you can use the skimmer. You might want a sump setup if your gunna be into corals. Im not sure why you would want a sump on such a big tank thought, thats something mike will explain. But you could prolly do a reef with no sump, i see then all the time. With mh lighting and a good protein skimmer(assuming you clean all your filter media every day!!) i dont see why you couldent keep most corals you would want. By the way ditch the crushed coral, clouds water get a argonite instead.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:06 PM   #15
 
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Ok mike about the whole spoiling your substrate thing, iv heard you say it yourself that sand is sand, can be washed.


''My thought process was that I could use the tank that I have right now (a 75 gallon glass tank that is currently set up for freshwater with a bio-wheel filter), and buy a protein skimmer, crushed coral, and live rock. From what I've looked up, you can run a fish only tank on that equipment. A local fish store uses the hang on back bio-wheel filters on their tanks so I thought that it would be ok. ''

Mike is just triing to say that your gunna spend some more money if you do a fish only then transfer to a reef. But Your using most of your freshwater gear anyway..... and you can use the skimmer. You might want a sump setup if your gunna be into corals. Im not sure why you would want a sump on such a big tank thought, thats something mike will explain. But you could prolly do a reef with no sump, i see then all the time. With mh lighting and a good protein skimmer(assuming you clean all your filter media every day!!) i dont see why you couldent keep most corals you would want. By the way ditch the crushed coral, clouds water get a argonite instead.
a sump is not a filter, it is just a place to put a filter in and install a refugium. A reef tank does not need a sump although will benefiet from one
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:15 PM   #16
 
mosho i hope you were triing to explain to him what i sump is, Do you belive i dont know what a sump is?
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:16 PM   #17
 
trying to explain, not dissing you or anything. I know you know what a sump is, ive seen you talking about one somewhere

Heres a thread where me, mike, mike, and ryan talk about sumps, good information.

http://www.fishforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4506
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:37 PM   #18
 
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What is the difference and similarities between the hardware of a FOWLR and reef tank?
FILTRATION-
SUBSTRATE-
LIGHTING-
WATER (RO NEEDED ON REEF, BUT NOT FOWLR, RIGHT?)-
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:23 PM   #19
 
Reef filtration is to try and get rid of nitrates, berlin method most popular with NNR another alternative

Substrate is pretty much the same, aragonite sand, cc, or ls

lighting needs to be much much stronger

water, RO water needed on both to prevent unwanted algae growth
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:30 PM   #20
 
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If I were to purchase a filter for a reef tank, but had a FOWLR at the time of purchase, what would be the best choice? I was thinking canister...
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