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Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!
Old 11-16-2008, 02:04 AM   #71
 
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:05 AM   #72
 
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:05 AM   #73
 
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:12 PM   #74
 
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It's becoming quite a trend. Perhaps i'm better off with this then a skimmer? it would be the intake from the main tank right? I would only need 2 sections for this in the Sump/refuge?

Screen to refuge, then return? would that work at all or would the refugium macro die off?
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:14 PM   #75
 
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Choosing between the two, I think a scrubber is better. A scrubber leaves food in the water, but removes Inorganic Nitrate and Inorganic Phosphate. A skimmer removes food, but leaves Inorganic Nitrate and Inorganic Phosphate in the water. A scrubber also removes ammonia and metals, which skimmers do not.

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it would be the intake from the main tank right?
If you mean the overflow from the tank to the sump, then yes.

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I would only need 2 sections for this in the Sump/refuge?
You only need one section. Or no sections, if the screen is above the sump. Actually, you don't even need a sump at all, if you make an external bucket or acrylic version.

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would the refugium macro die off?
If your scrubber is set up properly, the other macros will starve, unless you increase your feeding massively (like 5 to 10 times as much.)

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Screen to refuge, then return?
I think you are talking about this version:

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Old 11-17-2008, 02:11 AM   #76
 
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KK thank you very much, and for being so presice with my questions. I'll go to the beginning when i decide to create it so i can get all the dementions i'll need. Thanks again!
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:33 AM   #77
 
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Question:

The DIY bucket or sump scrubber is basically a level 1 project. Simple, free, easy DIY, and works great. Yes they are a bit large and ugly, but who cares. Level 2 are the acrylics. Self contained, small (only six inches or so thick), powerful, and nice looking. But they are so hard to make that only two people besides me have made them (and one of them I had to get made for him). I thought that since so many people made DIY sumps and tanks, many more would have made nice looking acrylics. Guess not. And only one person is on the builder list.

Well now I'm working on level 3. Ultra small (one inch thick), high light power, unbreakable, etc. Basically the same scrubbing power as a level 1 in a sump, but the size of a book. Problem is, they are impossible to DIY. So my question is, would anybody want to discuss the building of something that they can't build themselves?
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:47 AM   #78
 
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I have to say, this is a very intriguing idea. Create a better breeding place for algae and than in the tank and then just letting it out compete the stuff in the tank for nutrients. I'm not completely sold on the idea of this instead of a skimmer however as a skimmer removes a lot of organics before they break down into your normal nitrogenous compounds and this won't remove most until they reach the nitrate stage. It seems to me that this would be better as a supplemental algae control system with strong nitrate/phosphate removal potential.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:14 PM   #79
 
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a skimmer however as a skimmer removes a lot of organics before they break down into your normal nitrogenous compounds and this won't remove most until they reach the nitrate stage.
Yes but for a reef tank, you don't want to remove organics (especially with filter feeders). You just want to remove the Inorganics, metals and C02, like a scrubber does. Now with FO or FOWLR, of course, there is no real reasone to leave organics in the water. But with a reef, all that fish waste is fertilizer heaven for the corals.
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Old 11-18-2008, 06:30 PM   #80
 
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Results Of The Day:

Johnt on the UR site: "corals are doing extremely well, the water is clear, and the rocks are starting to look like new. the scrubber is improving things; I'm getting better growth and the rocks are clearing, N & P are up and down a bit, as I keep cleaning the screen too well, but are remaining low even though I've not had the skimmer, rowaphos reactor or carbon running for 2 months."

Sinful_Waters on the RS site: "Ok I couldnt resist! After reading and reading forum after forum, I had to know what all the excitement was about with the ats. End result, miracles happen! Ive spent the last year and a half battling the green stuff, with excessive waterchanges, phosphate reactor, etss skimmer, limited lighting period, pulling by hand, constant dusting with turkey baster, Lawnmower blen, blue leg hermit, lettice nudis, astrea snails, super clean sand, remote dsb, etc, etc, etc. The algae covered every inch of LR and was seriously suffocating my corals. What do we do when the tough gets going, we build an ats! I did as was advised and built the 5 gal [bucket] with a doulble sided screen, two 21 watt, 6500k compact flourecent bulbs, and the flow is supplied from my overflow and returned into sump. I do a light scrubb on the screen about every 4 days, and thats all. It actually took a few weeks to get the green going, but when it did the [nuisance] algae in the tank started to melt away. It went away so fast I was literally worried that my fish, crabs, snails would all be deprived of the green feast. Long story short, overfeeding is not in my vocab, and my sps, lps, corals have beautiful color and growth, with perfect tank conditions and stability. Being on a limited budget I couldnt be more pleased at the ease of the build and its amazinig effectiveness (excuse the spelling)."

Keifer1122 on the RS site: "update: the ats on 75 gallon, almost 2 months, been put on with only about 20lbs live rock, [...] also 8 fish, 1 1/2" of sand. N & P undetectable, all params good, havent done a water change in 2 months. had to do about 20 gallon wc every week before the install. $$$$$$$. 12 gallon aquapod with ats been about 17 days. N is about 10, was 15 before the install, with pair of percs feeding 3 times a day pellets in the morning and afternoon, with a pinky nail cube of rods, also piece of silverside every week for the Bta. the numbers arent falling fast, but its steady (with a 2gal water change i could boost the process or just cut feedings). coral growth: everythings growing like a weed including my yellow m.digitata that i got along with my screen from inland aquatics. all in all, tanks look sweet. life made easy."

Arab_NA on the MASA site: "My scrubber after 3 weeks, cleaning 1 side each 7 days: My PO4 went from 1.0 to below 0.1, and NO3 from 50ppm to 0ppm. I am feeding 3 times a day now and have no problems at all! Thanks SantaMonica for saving my tank and giving me back the love for this stunning hobby."

mudshark on the Masa site: "WOW things are starting to happen now. The algea is getting really thick on the screens after 20 days. I measured phosphate, which has always been low, as it was being used by algea in the display. It read a big fat 0. In fact it seems to be at a crossover point where the algea on the screens is growing faster, and regressing in the display. I've taken some pics of SPS colours now, altough they have already improved since the introduction of the screens. I'm hoping to post some further improved colours at a later stage."

Sly on the SWF site: I've had my scrubber running since September. When I started, my phosphates were 8-10 ppm or maybe higher. The test water turned a very dark blue, indicating high phosphates. Today I did a test and can verify that my phosphates are now between 2 and 4 ppm. I am still getting massive growth in the scrubber.. So far the nitrates have reduced some, but not much... maybe by 5 ppm. I am seeing the greatest reduction in phosphate so far. Maybe the nitrate will start going down some more as the phosphate gets consumed completely. Some background: Tank has been running for 7 years. Using RO/DI water, ozone, refugium with macros, UV sterilization, skimmer and [now] scrubber. I don't really do water changes. The last one I did was sometime in 2007. I have had high phosphates for quite a while, and nitrates have been higher than I wanted, but still manageable. My fish and corals are still growing and thriving. I have never seen anything that would reduce the phosphate in my tank. Even water changes only lowered them momentarily. They would go back up in just a few days. This is the first time I've ever seen a reduction in phosphates. I suspect that in another month they may well be at 0ppm. Nitrate reduction still remains to be seen. Overall though, I think the scrubber was a positive addition to my tank. I'm finally starting to get some more corraline growth like I used to have. The growth is slow but I do see a definite increase in the vibrance and quantity of corraline in my tank."
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