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post #211 of 435 Old 03-23-2009, 06:57 PM Thread Starter
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Cooley, is good to hear!

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I'm using a 330gph return pump. I have a one sided 10 X 12 screen run by the overflow
Is your pump getting all 330? Or is it less with the height? You want to be sure the flow can cover all 10 inches of screen width.

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clamp on light with a 60w cfl
Is it 60 W equivalent, or actually 60 W ? If equivalent, you want bigger.

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My question is how long should I wait to remove the media in my canister filter? I plan on replacing the filter media with live rock.
You have no LR now? What media is in the canister now?

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i want to try a "scrubber" before i go and get a skimmer. i know skimmers work
Skimmers and scrubbers both "work", but they do different things. Decide what you need done. Scrubbers remove Inorganic Nitrate and Inorganic Phosphate, and leave food in the water for corals and small fish to eat. Skimmers remove food, but leave Inorganic Nitrate and Inorganic Phosphate in the water.

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how much sand should i have, i have bout 40 lbs in my 55 now
Too general of a question. Do you have LR?

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,i also have 40 lbs of crushed coral
No, never want to use CC, unless you don't need to worry about excess nutrients.

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the 20 has a fluval 4 w/ a costom spray bar and a heater and sum reef rubble
Pics would really help.

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my rocks are not all live rock there a mix from when i had my brackish setup (maroonish "volcanoe" rock
I'm not sure about the other types of rock. Some rock has lots of phosphate and will cause problems. You need to ask someone in the other forums. Safe thing is start out with just LR.

I say, why not clean out the 20, and use it for just your scrubber. Put just LR in the display, and maybe the sump.
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post #212 of 435 Old 03-23-2009, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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OK cooley I see you have LR. Remove the cannister completely... you should not need it. And besides it's just trapping food.
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post #213 of 435 Old 03-23-2009, 07:18 PM
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Thanks. The bulb is 60w, 130w equivalent. I'm guessing the overflow is actually flowing about 300gph but the screen is covered with flow. It is laying at an angle on a sheet of acrylic to keep the noise down. I think having a solid backing reduces the 35gph rule of thumb a bit.

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2.5g desktop reef 2 damsels, softies, and cleanup crew

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post #214 of 435 Old 03-23-2009, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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It does. 35 is for both sides, so you have plenty for one side. And that bulb is a monster!
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post #215 of 435 Old 03-23-2009, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Part 7 of 7:

"The Food of Reefs, Part 7: Dissolved Nutrients" by Eric Borneman
The Food of Reefs, Part Seven: Dissolved Nutrients by Eric Borneman - Reefkeeping.com

"Mucus consists of mainly sugars and glycoproteins - soluble materials in and of themselves. However, the formation of mucus, and its release in a matrix of chains of these materials, may result in a particulate material. This material is both utilized directly by many organisms, and also forms the basis for a predominant fraction of the particulate "marine snow" on reefs.

"In fact, reef waters are 30-40% higher in DOM [disolved organic matter] than oceanic waters.

"In terms of determining the degree to which organisms may use dissolved material as significant source of nutrition, one may examine the surface area of the outer cell membranes exposed to such materials. In general, the larger the absorptive area, the more likely organisms are to depend on absorption. Some cell surfaces are covered with many finger-like processes called microvilli that greatly increase the surface area of the membrane. Furthermore, the presence of cilia is often a good indicator of absorptive surfaces. Perhaps not surprisingly, corals have extensive microvilli and cilia.

"Corals are able to take up various forms of both organic and inorganic dissolved nitrogen.

"Even slightly elevated nitrogen levels can quickly result in rapid increases in the density of zooxanthellae, as they use it to fuel their own reproduction" [and thus turn the coral brown]

"It is also somewhat equivocal that corals are able to utilize nitrate (which exists nearly totally in its ionic state at physiological pH) at all, and an inability to find nitrate reductase in many studies, makes the ultimate importance of this dissolved nitrogen source to corals (and anemones) rather tenuous. However, it is unambiguously true that ammonium is a sought-after nitrogen source by both coral host and algal partner.

"Humic (refractory) compounds: These yellowing compounds are typically found at relatively high levels in aquaria, and they are removed with protein skimming and activated carbon. Humic materials have been thought to be relatively inert and unavailable for use as a nutrient source. However, studies have shown that organisms from bacteria to brine shrimp (Artemia salina) can utilize humic substances as a source of nutrients.

"In terms of corals reefs, the amounts of most dissolved nutrients, except carbon in most cases, are very low.

"The higher nutrient levels may cause corals and other symbiotic partnerships to decline as the partner algae preferentially utilize the increased nutrient sources to the expense of the host. [and thus browning of the coral occurs]

"Without question, corals and many reef organisms are able to utilize dissolved nutrients to help meet their energy requirements and to use in tissue growth.
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the pics i have wont upload to this site ,i dont know ?the pics are the wright format ,do you know a nother way,email?
i have bout 30 lb of live rock and bout 60 of the other rock .both types of the other are in sw tanks at the pet store i go to
i have 20 lbs of sand in the 20 should i put it in the 55 ?
the 20 is not connected to the 55, i want it to b ,i just dont how to rigg it my self.the 20 also has a blue damsel in it i had to set up this tank for him cause it was pickin in my shrimp and i wanted to make it a sump when i figured out how to
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the pics i have wont upload to this site ,i dont know ?the pics are the wright format ,do you know a nother way,email?
i have bout 30 lb of live rock and bout 60 of the other rock .both types of the other are in sw tanks at the pet store i go to
i have 20 lbs of sand in the 20 should i put it in the 55 ?
the 20 is not connected to the 55, i want it to b ,i just dont how to rigg it my self.the 20 also has a blue damsel in it i had to set up this tank for him cause it was pickin in my shrimp and i wanted to make it a sump when i figured out how to

You need to host your pics on a 3rd party site (i.e. photobucket) and then place a direct link to them and they will show up in the thread.

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55g reef - softies, LPS, chromis, tangs, blenny, damsels, clown, royal dotty - 10g sump/fuge with ATS

60g oscar & jack dempsey

29g guppy tank - started with 3, now over 60
2.5g desktop reef 2 damsels, softies, and cleanup crew
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hey cooley you said you made a home made over flow ....how did you do it ,i m trying to link my two tanks to gether i m not shure wat is the easyest way? thanks cooley!
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hey cooley you said you made a home made over flow ....how did you do it ,i m trying to link my two tanks to gether i m not shure wat is the easyest way? thanks cooley!

I'm going to make a diy overflow thread sometime soon, I'll link you to it and keep the off-topic out of this thread.

My screen is showing some decent growth at day 5, still no reduction in nitrate though. (~15ppm API tester)

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55g reef - softies, LPS, chromis, tangs, blenny, damsels, clown, royal dotty - 10g sump/fuge with ATS

60g oscar & jack dempsey

29g guppy tank - started with 3, now over 60
2.5g desktop reef 2 damsels, softies, and cleanup crew
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