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post #11 of 32 Old 01-27-2010, 08:28 PM Thread Starter
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As of right now only the stock pump for water flow. My LFS (and I have quite a few reputable nearby which is odd for Buffalo, NY) suggested that I purchase a Koralia 2, it was around$35. I couldnt get it because I just spent $192 on live rock and heater.

BTW - Did they screw me? Since I purchased, I see many who buy base rock with maybe 10-20% live rock, where as I purchased 100% live rock!!!!

When should I "expect" diatom blooms, and microfuana growth?
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post #12 of 32 Old 01-28-2010, 11:57 AM
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As of right now only the stock pump for water flow. My LFS (and I have quite a few reputable nearby which is odd for Buffalo, NY) suggested that I purchase a Koralia 2, it was around$35. I couldnt get it because I just spent $192 on live rock and heater.

BTW - Did they screw me? Since I purchased, I see many who buy base rock with maybe 10-20% live rock, where as I purchased 100% live rock!!!!

When should I "expect" diatom blooms, and microfuana growth?
Koralia 2 has a huge footprint in a 30 gallon bio cube, I'd go for a koralia 1 instead.


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post #13 of 32 Old 01-28-2010, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
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"BTW - Did they screw me? Since I purchased, I see many who buy base rock with maybe 10-20% live rock, where as I purchased 100% live rock!!!!"

What about the above piece - I am really curious to know what experts would say about that....
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post #14 of 32 Old 01-28-2010, 01:24 PM
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Well if you are in the US and paid 192 bucks for 20 pounds of live rock then my vote is yes you got screwed. If you are in Canada or Australia then it sounds about right(assuming both locations sell at the same average). Thats what 8.99 a pound plus tax? Not overly so, just seems high to me for some reason. Expensive rock here is 7.99 or so, normal is 4.99 - 6.99 depending on the LFS.

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post #15 of 32 Old 01-28-2010, 01:39 PM
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I use about 80% dry rock and at most 20% live rock on my setups. On a 29 gallon tank, I would suggest 25 pounds of Key Largo dry rock from Marco Rocks The finest aquarium rock available, base rock, live rock, reef rock, marco rock, reef tank saltwater fish, live corals, Marco rocks, Fiji live rock, Tonga Live rock and about 10 pounds of good quality live rock. This method takes longer for a tank to mature, but results in amazing quality rock after several months. Look at the dry rock from my 180 FOWLR, set up in April 2009:


It takes time to look totally natural, but within 3 months or so, in my experience, you can't tell it from purchased live rock. For all practical purposes, it is live. By the way, that is coraline algae growth you are seeing.
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post #16 of 32 Old 01-28-2010, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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Wow that is an amazing picture - look at that corraline.

So, maybe this will help me rest assured - Since I bought ALL premium live rock, is it safe to say my tank will be cycled within 1 month rather than 3? From your message it also seems that base rock + live rock will have better long term effects?

I am just going to be pissed (and let them know) if most of the corraline will die off over the next month to the point where it is really no more beneficial than 90/10 base:live rock ratio.

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So, maybe this will help me rest assured - Since I bought ALL premium live rock, is it safe to say my tank will be cycled within 1 month rather than 3? From your message it also seems that base rock + live rock will have better long term effects?

I am just going to be pissed (and let them know) if most of the corraline will die off over the next month to the point where it is really no more beneficial than 90/10 base:live rock ratio.
This isn't really what I was trying to communicate. I was trying to say that over the long run, after a few months, it doesn't matter if you use 100% live rock or a mix of both. Either way, you will get the same effect. One is not better than the other. It is the QUALITY of the rock that matters, not if the rock is live or not at the time of purchase. You want porous rock that can easily seed with bacteria and microfauna.

If you want that coraline to thrive, then alkalinity and calcium tests will be your best friend!
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This isn't really what I was trying to communicate. I was trying to say that over the long run, after a few months, it doesn't matter if you use 100% live rock or a mix of both. Either way, you will get the same effect. One is not better than the other. It is the QUALITY of the rock that matters, not if the rock is live or not at the time of purchase. You want porous rock that can easily seed with bacteria and microfauna.

If you want that coraline to thrive, then alkalinity and calcium tests will be your best friend!

I see...If we assume for a moment everyone uses RO/DI water that is 100% purified, would I be correct in assuming everyone would have the same alkalinity/calcium levels?

Have you had good luck with chemicals being introduced or have you found that it is a not necessary money pit.
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I see...If we assume for a moment everyone uses RO/DI water that is 100% purified, would I be correct in assuming everyone would have the same alkalinity/calcium levels?
I wouldn't assume this myself. I would rather say that two tanks with similiar stocking levels, amounts of Rock and sand, and even s.g. would use calcium at different rates. My friend and I both have 150 gallon tanks. We set them up within weeks of each other. I have to dose Calcium and Alk twice a week minimum and he doses twice a month if that. We both use RO/DI, have corals (both LPS and softies), and keep our tanks with generally the same stocking levels. I have coraline all over my glass, baffles, rocks and powerheads (it actually is becoming a nuisance). He has almost no coraline growth what-so-ever.



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post #20 of 32 Old 01-29-2010, 10:12 AM Thread Starter
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Well,
This much is for sure, those who maintain an active and healthy saltwater aquarium are scientists.

So scientists, I propose this question:

For the 29Gallon Biocube currently with stock pump:
- What Protein Skimmer would be ideal, and is a protein skimmer a must have (or even highly recommended) in a tank of this size.

- When should it be introduced?
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