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post #11 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 04:49 PM Thread Starter
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So since it's a 40 + 20, I'd be looking at something between 600 and 1200 times?
(i assume I have to take into account the sump as well when calculating this, right?)

And for Substrate and Rocks, what do you guys suggest, in terms of what & how much of it should be live?
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post #12 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 04:52 PM
I could answer now, but its a pain in the butt to try and type out all the answers yiur looking for from a phone. Ill put together a comprehensive answer for you in a bit. Basically 10x yiur water volume for a Fish Only tank, and +20x your tank volume for a Reef tank. 2 powerheads, on opposite sides of the tank blowing at each other will create somewhat of a random current.
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post #13 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 06:17 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Reefing!

Well, seeing as I will only be (potentially) buying my tank on Thursday, there's really no rush for that list, take all the time you need, I know you're pretty busy! :P

Anyways, I'm going to pass by my LFS tomorrow afternoon, because I haven't quite decided what I want to do with my 32g freshwater tank. I've become so attached to some of those little guys, so I'd hate to sell everything! I'm thinking of maybe getting a smaller tank, and keeping some of them around, but at the same time, I'm still planning where to put my Saltwater tank. Ah, so many options! I'm torn lol. hmmm...
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post #14 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 06:44 PM
Oh, I meant time frame of getting home. =)
Here is the list I give all the new Saltaholics

#1-Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhikers on Live Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way you go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon.

#2-Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter) Which is really not necessary.

#3-Multiple Power heads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph power heads.

#4-Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume. Unless your tank is under 30g, in which case you can do 10% water changes a week to rid the system of detrius. But, you'll have to watch the water parameters close, if things go haywire, you'll have to do more water changes.

#5-Saltwater Test Kits. Reef Test Kit. Test for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.

#6-Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.

#7-Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one

#8-Rubber kitchen gloves

#9-Fish net

#10-Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets

#11-Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.

#12-Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.

#13-Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.

#14-Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.

#15-Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank

#16-Heater rated for your size tank.

#17-Saltwater Mix. Marine Salt. Instant Ocean is the cheap Salt that beginners and Advanced use alike.

#18-Saltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurate. There is also a Digital Meter that is way advanced if you have the cash.

#19-Aquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, or GFO and such)

#20-Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed coral. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.

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post #15 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
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So I asked the guy how old the tank was and he said about 2-3 years old. Since I don't have much experience in the fish tank business, does that seem ok? I mean my freshwater tank has been running for close to 2 years and the aquarium is still in pretty good shape, so I would assume it's alright.

Plus, he said the Heater was new, and the Pump was new.
And all the pipes for the Sump are all new as well.

I'm trying to run more numbers on everything included in the deal, and like Reefing mentioned earlier, it seems like it's a nice deal with only a few products already hitting over 600$.

I think I really want this one because of the Sump and all the pipes are already set up, because I feel like I'd have no idea how to do any of that if I did it on my own.

Anyways, getting pretty excited to get started, but I'm also a bit scared because it's a big investment! But I see this as being something I'd like to keep (and upgrade!) for the rest of my life, so I think I'm going to take the plunge!

I've been doing tons of reading, but If you guys had to explain the general routine of keeping a saltwater tank maintained in a quick list, what would that list look like (after the initial cycling and all)? Just so i can be sure of what I'm getting into. You can also compare it to a freshwater tank of about the same size, since that's what I currently have.

I'm scared but excited at the same time lol!
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post #16 of 46 Old 12-18-2012, 11:58 PM Thread Starter
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Also, here's some pictures of what the tank in question looks like:

Judging from what you see in the pictures, can you experienced reefers tell me what kind of an overflow it has? I know you can't see much in the pictures, but maybe you guys see something you recognize that a newbie like me would definitely not know.

Also, the Sump doesn't seem to have any chambers or anything, am I right? I'll only get to see the tank in person on Thursday though, so until then, all I have is this pictures to speculate lol. Thanks guys!

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post #17 of 46 Old 12-19-2012, 01:05 AM Thread Starter
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Oh one last thing before i finally go to bed!!

This is what he wrote about all the plumbing and stuff, what do you guys make of it?
Because honestly, I don't know anything about pipes and stuff:

Overflow JBJ ($ 15 value)
Bulkhead 3/4 "($ 15 value)
Butterfly valve ($ 10 value)
Check valve ($ 10 value)
Return nozzle U ($ 15 value)
Piping and accessories ($ 50 value)

2:00 AM here in Montreal, gotta go to work tomorrow morning! MUST SLEEP NOW!
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post #18 of 46 Old 12-19-2012, 08:38 AM
Looks like 3/4" line for overflow. But you will detremine what that flow will be by what return pump you put on there.
Sump with no chambes is not an issue, mine doesn't have any, I'd rather have more room for Macro Algae to grow. The chambers keeps the water level constant in one of the chambers for reactors and skimmers.
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post #19 of 46 Old 12-19-2012, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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Ok so I confirmed with the seller than the sump is in fact empty.

The return pump is the pump that will shoot the water back up to the Display Tank? if so, my pump would be the Eheim Compact+ 2000. I still have to learn how all the pipes and stuff work I guess.

If I do buy this tank, do u guys think it will be easy to load in my SUV? like because of all the plumbing and stuff, is it still easy to separate? (like Display tank, the stand, the sump, the pipes, etc)
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post #20 of 46 Old 12-19-2012, 09:30 AM
If he's got Unions on all the PVC like he should, all you have to do is unscrew them, pretty easy job. If he's not done that, you'll have to take the plumbing out as one piece.
Its pretty easy to run, and put back together, especially with the tank being drilled.
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