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getting a "professional" to set up a new saltwater
Old 09-30-2006, 09:04 PM   #21
 
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Are you using RO water or tap water for your top-offs?
I actually use store bought water, which I have tested and is free of everything. No nitrate, phosphate, etc.
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:28 PM   #22
 
Joesmoe-Its realy not that hard i first thought "o man every day ill just stick to once a week" but this past week ive done it every day and i got used to it to me its something fun to do
You dont do water changes daily do you
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:39 PM   #23
 
I think that is why alot of people don't try to do saltwater. They think its hard. Then the ones that try it find out it really isn't as hard as they thought
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:55 AM   #24
 
Hi everybody, I have finally decided on the type of tank I want. I've decided to go with the saltwater, it's just so beautiful and amazing to look at. And I want to thank each and everyone for their input, I appreciate it. Okay, so here is the list my guy at the LFS gave me to start my tank with the price. Please tell me if I'm missing anything of if I need to change any, thanks.
This is for a 50 gallon all glass tank (not predrilled) with a cabinet stand for fish and anemones. The tank came with 3 bulbs which says "aquarium light YZ-25W.
Wet dry 75 $159
Rio 2100 $60
Rio 600 (2) $25 each
Super skimmer $150
Live sand (3) $23
Instant ocean salt $14
Heater 100w $32
Hydrometer $15
Digital thermometer $10
Aqua plus $8
Cycle $9
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:03 AM   #25
 
You don't need the cycle, Buy live rock and one damesel to cycle the tank for you. And the lights won't be the ones for saltwater. If the light fixture fits only one flourescent bulb go with the 50/50 bulb. If it has 2 bulbs go with one actinic and one 10,000k daylight flourescent. But everything looks good. This is just a money saving tip. You don't have to by everything at once. Just the important stuff that you need to start a saltwater tank.
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Old 10-04-2006, 05:34 PM   #26
 
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Don't buy any damsels. It's the old dither fish story. Once you put that damned thing in there it will terrorize any fish you ever wish to keep. and once in they are very difficult to get out of the rockwork without tearing the entire tank apart. I highly recommend that unles it is the damsel that you want to keep (barring anything the store guy said) you just don't bother with cycling the tank with live fish. You are off to a good start with live sand and live rock. Honestly if the rock was pre cured your parameters should come into place in about 2 weeks in their own with no outside help. Don't forget to add the cleanup crew, about 50 small hermits and 100 small snails or 20 turbo snails. Your list looked decent, you will make changes, so I feel the guy that sold you your stuff is a decent fellow. As to monthly maintenance? That is an industry standard. I think it will be more than adequate until you begin to fully stock the tank. This guy is also approachable, not living behind the curtian in OZ, so in any event that you feel something is awry a trip to his shop will set your fears to ease. I do believe in daily maintenance myself, but to me daily means that I look at the tnak and do a visual check. Doesn't mean daily water changes.

Sounds like you are off to a good start. I'd put some faith into your guy as he will know more about what is happening to your tank than we will.

USMC you openly state a falsehood that I do not understand. You claim to never do water changes since your "mature" tank is so settled in. You state that because you add 5g of makeup water each week that should do it. Nothing could be further from the truth and a new hobbyist could believe what you are saying without further explanation of having a giant skimmer or an awesome refugium. I must ask how do you remove excess nutrients from yoru tank? How do you add the proper elements that only a good water change can provide?

Water changes are the best way to remove the build up of harmful wastes. You say that you only add make up water. This causes a buildup of elements over time instead of reomving them as a proper water change would do. Also water changes are the simplest method of replensishment of essential elements that can be used up by coral and fish growth. I'll bet you if you began doing weekly or monthly water changes your tank will perk right back up again. Sounds like comparing an ex athlete to a current one, I did plenty of running in highschool I don't need to run anymore. In fact if you began running today your body would benefit from the extra activity. I must admit that after setting up my tank I feared the water change. it was nothing in my freshwater tank to do a water change but my salt setup intimidated me. A few months ago I bought into a huge order of SPS corals that set me back a couple of thousand dollars. Not wanting to watch them die I finally gave in and began doing water changes. My tank has never looked better. I do 15g a week on a 75g (110g total water volume). Honestly my polyp extension has never been better than before this change. Upped my Mh lighting, no change. Added a Kalk reactor, no change. Water changes? Oh yeah instant growth.
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Old 10-04-2006, 06:27 PM   #27
 
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USMC you openly state a falsehood that I do not understand. You claim to never do water changes since your "mature" tank is so settled in. You state that because you add 5g of makeup water each week that should do it. Nothing could be further from the truth and a new hobbyist could believe what you are saying without further explanation of having a giant skimmer or an awesome refugium. I must ask how do you remove excess nutrients from yoru tank? How do you add the proper elements that only a good water change can provide?
When I first started I would change 20% of the water every two weeks. While during that I started noticing that the tank as a whole wasn't right so what I started doing is since I top off with about that much water every 2 weeks I started monitoring that my test were actually lower then they were when I would do water changes. So I have adopted this method. day to weekly I add the appropriate chemicals and my take has never be healthier. The only time I had is when I have moved the system. I have moved this tank 10-12 times in the last year and have not lost a soul. About the damsels they are a good fish to start cycling with, yes they can terrorize other fish, but everyone I know that has cycled they tank with them didn't keep them past the cycle stage.

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I'll bet you if you began doing weekly or monthly water changes your tank will perk right back up again.
Actually there isn't anything wrong with my tank now. Everything is perky and good.

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In fact if you began running today your body would benefit from the extra activity.
Don't take this the wrong way it all fun but I ran more in a month then you do in a year. Being in the Marine Corps and everything. :D
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:01 PM   #28
 
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OK well then lets back this up. We have a new memebr here starting a new tank. Would you come out right now and recomend her to not do water changes? Just a yes or no will suffice, no explanations needed.

I did not say it was a bad idea to use a damsel to cycle with, which if you are bringing in live rock and live sand is not necessary as I stated, I said that they are evil and difficult to remove. You stated the same after what oyou wrote so why write it at all? Why write that the people did not keep them after the cycling stage? Why not just agree that they are not necessary.

About comparing water changes to a person lacking exercise was not a direct hit at you in general, I was making a comparison. As in a positive change is a good change.

So let me ask you this then, do you clean your house? Do you take out the trash everyother night to the dumpster for removal from the house? Do you occasionaly vacum? How about we do a test, say for 6 months. You are not allowed to clean the house at all. Period you must live there, eat there and never again do any cleaning nor allow anyone else to clean for you. The trash cannot leave either. In fact maybe we ought to break the toilet. The only thing you are allowed to do is spray Febreeze around (IE: adding top off water). Why is it not ok for you but ok for your fish?

I also took a look at your public profile of your tank, 265w total for a 120g reef? I run 1,000w over a 75 and feel I could go another 300w.
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:49 PM   #29
 
hey shie, am also new in salties, we share the same problems.until now i still have a lot of questions on how to have a succesful tank.
though its hard to set up one, i still like salties.

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Old 10-08-2006, 10:36 PM   #30
 
Hi guys, sad to say I'm still in the planning stage for my tank. I've been reading a lot of stuff in this forum, still I have a few questions to throw out there. Again, I appreciate all your replies. Thanks.
What is a refugium?
If the Bio ball is not good then what kind should I get?
Do the hermits and snails for cleaning up die or get eaten and if they do, do I replace them?
If I do FOWLR and some anemones do I need the expensive light, lights for a reef?
Do i need a chiller?
Looking forward to hear from you guys and thanks again.
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