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Old 01-04-2012, 10:40 AM   #11
 
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Is there a good sticky on here about starting up a small like 20 gal? or 55 gal tank?
It's not terribly hard. You need the tank, lights (T5HO with actinic bulbs), powerheads because SW tanks need lots of water movement, a HOB filter like an AC110, salt, RO/distilled water, base rock, live rock. Put it all together and you have a SW tank. Obviously a bit more to it than that but that's the basic idea.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:51 AM   #12
 
In my cichlid tank i have a fluval 405 external canister filter,
Amazon.com: Fluval 405 External Canister Filter - 110V, 340 gallons per hour: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Fluval 405 External Canister Filter - 110V, 340 gallons per hour: Pet Supplies
, i have a power head( will have to look at what brand tonight) and a tank. So basically all i would need is a hood with lights(does it have to be a certain fixture? or just certain bulb?), salt, water, base rock, and live rock, and fish of course. Now whats all this i hear about protein skimmers? And sump tanks? and all that? Is that not necessary for a 55 gal?
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:58 AM   #13
 
Where would you recommend getting the live rock? There are a couple good salt water stores around where i live but it seems that i will need a lot of live rock. Are there any good online places with high quality rock? Also what substrate should i use for the bottom?
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:06 AM   #14
 
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You need lots of water movement...like 20x turn over. I had two 240gph powerheads and an AC110 (listed as 500gph) on my 10g nano tank just to give you an idea.

If you have corals or plan to get them in the future you need high light like from a T5HO or MH. Otherwise, if fish only, normal output is fine. The blue bulbs bring out the best colors and is needed for corals.

If you keep up with water changes you can get by without a protein skimmer. What that does is removes dissolved organics from the water helping to keep it cleaner.

Sumps are generally used to add water volume to help make for a more stable tank. There are pros and cons to using them. They are not needed though. But again, you need to keep up with the upkeep of the tank.

When it comes to rock, the more the better. The rock houses the needed bacteria as well as loads of critters that keep your tank health and provide food for the fish. The more live rock you can afford to buy, the better. But if you can only afford a little bit, make sure you at least load the tank with base rock which is dead or dried up live rock. You'd be amazed at what kinda stuff you'll see in your live rock if you sit in front of the tank and just watch. There are some really good online places to order live rock. There are actually live rock "farms" down in FL. That is where I would buy from...all the benefits of live rock but they are sinking huge piles of rock and letting it become live, then they harvest it. That way the natural live rock is left alone helping to preserve the coral reefs.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:12 AM   #15
 
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Substrate, I'd use sand, but you have to be careful what kind you use. It's not the same as FW tanks. You have to be careful using sand that has silcates in it or otherwise you will be plagued with brown algae.

I have used this place before...really nice stuff...I won't say it's the best but check it out...

Live Rock - Tampa Bay Saltwater Aquacultured Live Rock

Do a search for Aquacultured Live Rock. I highly recommend using the aquacultured stuff. Like I said, if you get a bunch of base rock you can then seed with a little bit of live rock and over time it will all become live. Just get as much live rock as you can. In a 55g tank you are looking at probably a couple hundred pounds of rock...you do need a lot...not just a few rocks like a lot of people think.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:15 AM   #16
 
wow! so i read at minimum 1lb of live rock per gallon! man that must be expensive. lol So i will also probably need another power head. I will have to look at the specs of the one i have. And does that filter sound like a decent one for a 55 gal tank?
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:27 AM   #17
 
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Yeah, the filter is just like the filter for FW. You need it to pull stuff out of the water. The bigger the better just because you want a lot of movement. In the neighborhood of 20x turn over which for a 55g tank you are looking at 1100gph. You want the movement as random and bouncing around as you can, you are trying to simulate currents and waves of the ocean. Like I said, I had an AC70 (I mistakenly said AC110 in the post above this one) and two 240gph Koralia nanos on my 10g tank. That is 780gph in a 10g tank. Majority of the biofiltration is in the live rock. That is one reason you want so much. Expect to pay $3-$4 per pound for live rock and half as much for base rock. You will probably need a few hundred dollars in rock for a 55g tank to start. Thats LR mixed with base rock. It would be much cheaper to maybe start with the 20g tank. You'll just have to be more careful with keeping it up since it will be a lot less stable.

My old 10g when I first started it up to show how much rock needs packed in there.


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Old 01-04-2012, 11:29 AM   #18
 
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wow! so i read at minimum 1lb of live rock per gallon! man that must be expensive. lol So i will also probably need another power head. I will have to look at the specs of the one i have. And does that filter sound like a decent one for a 55 gal tank?
You don't need all Live Rock, you can use Dry Rock and just a small piece of Live Rock to seed your Dry Rock.
Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhickers onLive Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way oyu go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon.
Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter)Multiple Powerheads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph powerheads.
Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume
Saltwater Test Kits. Reef Test Kit. Tets for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.
Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.
Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one
Rubber kitchen gloves
Fish net
Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets
Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.
Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.
Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.
Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.
Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank
Heater rated for your size tank.
Saltwater Mix.
Marine SaltSaltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurateAquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, etc.)
Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed cora. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:37 AM   #19
 
Woah that looks cool! So ok i am not going to start with the 55 gallon as that is a huge investment. I think either a 10 or 20 gallon to start to "get my foot in the door" and get some experience under my belt.


Wow guys thanks for all the great advice!
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:41 AM   #20
 
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I'd do the 20g or if you can, get a 29g tank. They make great smaller SW tanks and the extra 9 gallons will help with stability. A 29g tank would be a great size for a couple clowns and maybe a goby of some sort. Stocking levels are out out the window when you compare FW to SW. A lot less fish in SW to maintain a healthy tank.

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