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Old 05-29-2014, 05:30 PM   #31
 
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OOH A surprise!?

Sounds like you are ready for some corals! Drop me a line or post a request in the DBTC threads and we will get you hooked up with some starter corals for free.
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Old 05-30-2014, 01:38 PM   #32
 
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What a great project! I wish you the best of luck. Always wanted to try a saltwater setup, but it seems so complicated and sensative. I'm following in hopes that your success might give me the confidence to take the plunge into saltwater!
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Old 05-31-2014, 12:31 PM   #33
 
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Angry Things i done learnt!

never believe everything you see on the internet or read ( I knew this already) this makes a good base but we need to find out on our own....I've read so much about salt water tanks my eyes hurt..I've learned a ton on my own...and had a blast doing it...

So... my tank has bullies... my beloved yellow belly damsel is a wicked witch ( or a troll) it bullies any new member....luckily... an offering of Mysis shrimp will take it's mind off being a bully so the new inhabitants can take place in the dark( I shut down the light leaving the one 15 W actinic light on) ... the next day. All is forgiven.. everyones buddies!...blue leg crabs are bullies as well... I've exported the large ones to the refugium...they have a taste for snails...and fan worms,,,

While studying my tank and watching the puffs of sand put up by my clams... I discovered one of the empty snail shells has a tube worm livening in it... he's a little guy that appears in the upper upper part of the shell in the picture( lower section when it is next to the fan worm)... I had to relocate the shell to keep the bulldozer ( my gobie) from burying it's home!

I had to re locate and rearrange parts of my tank... due to the nature of it's inhabitants...( animal and plant)
I bought an aqua cultered clavularia clove polyp from the LFS....I wanted to go to the next level and the price was right... then 2 days latter my son in law shows up with a gift...it seems a good friend of his is moving across country... and broke down his tank... he gave my SIL a bunch of fish and corals.. it seems he didn't have room for a few items ... 2 blue /green Chromis... a red ball sponge .. and a bubble anemone....and asked me if I would take them.... I feel confident I can do it... I'm already feeding my feather dusters and clams with Seachem zoo plankton..Kent marine Microvert and Phyco pure green water..if you put a flash light on the tank after dark you can see the 'pods crawling around... so I know they have been breeding and migrating from the refugium..the fish get a few meals a week meal of shredded shrimp ( in addition to their regular meal os the Mysis shrimp and flakes/ freeze dried brine shrimp).. so an extra chunk to the anemone a few times a week shouldn't be much bother...

The pictures show the difference..no more stark white base rock... every ones the same light brown now..yet the water is so clear you can see the banister 6' away clear through the tank.. I see worm borrows in the sand...I see some tubes being built in the coral... I haven't seen the inhabitants... yet the white tubes grow each night..the tank is becoming more alive each day.... as much as I love my fresh water fish... there is no comparisome..they are truly BORING...
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Old 05-31-2014, 01:07 PM   #34
 
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What a great project! I wish you the best of luck. Always wanted to try a saltwater setup, but it seems so complicated and sensative. I'm following in hopes that your success might give me the confidence to take the plunge into saltwater!
I say go for it.... study and read...IMHO...once you get them running, they seem more self sufficient then Fw tanks...the hardest part is keeping yourself from going too fast... I use frequent water tests... and visual keys as my guide....so far... I've not had many failures...probably the biggest one ..and it wasn't really a failure was the trickle filter... my original intention was to use it until I had completed the nitrogen cycle.. then "wean" the tank off of the bio balls and trickle system and filter as naturally as I could... but the use of live rock and live sand flipped the system so fast, I could have probably gone straight to the system I have now that uses a 100 micron sock filter ( that gets rinsed every day when I clean the skimmer cup) a protein skimmer ( the subject of my second "failure") a refugium/sump with macro algae, clams, crabs and copepods and a final chamber that has a coarse sponge filter, medium and fine poly fiber to polish the water ( this is rinsed clear every 2 days and replaced weekly)..some of the. the water in the 3rd chamber is recycled through a pair of reactors via a 500 GPH pump, one reactor houses Phose ban for phosphate control as well as carbon to remove any unwanted nasties... the second houses nitrate remover by Seachem... it seems to work the water is crystal clear...)0 phosphates ...0 nitrates for almost 2 months. The return line from these goes back to the 1st chamber to be re-cleaned.... the rest of the water in the 3rd chamber is returned to the display tank..

I say the second failure was the protein skimmer... after reading a few on line reviews and "gandering" on line I bought a Marineland in sump Protien skimmer... I should have red more reviews... this thing was a nightmare to use and keep working properly... good stuff aint cheap... cheap stuff aint good!... I bought a second skimmer made by reef octopus and haven't touched the setting ( OK minor adjustments) since I installed it.. and twice a day I empty 1/4 of a cup of nasty "snot"....

IMHO.. R/O/D/I water is a must.. that probably is the main difference as far as initial set up... I think it would be very difficult to set up the salt tank properly with out it...
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:58 PM   #35
 
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What a pleasant surprise, fish and an anemone. Hope he settles in and doesn't roam too much. I am in the process of moving a few from one of my tanks and into another. Looks like your tank is getting seasoned and is gearing towards a reef tank real soon.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:22 PM   #36
 
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What a pleasant surprise, fish and an anemone. Hope he settles in and doesn't roam too much. I am in the process of moving a few from one of my tanks and into another. Looks like your tank is getting seasoned and is gearing towards a reef tank real soon.
he moved about 3" and wedged itself into the ROCK...I put him in the brightest spot.... yesterday it refused a piece of shrimp...today it took it like it was the last supper..
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Old 06-19-2014, 04:40 PM   #37
 
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update...

so... 2 weeks have gone by since my last post.some changes have occurred... red and green algae have grown on the higher elevation's as well as the brown algae on the back of the tank and some of the less bright areas of the tank( the caves are pearly white)...... some of it the shape of little Christmas trees( higher on the live rock). With exception to the shaded areas.... there is no more pearly white base rock..it looks "weathered"but not unsightly every thing is covered with red, green and brown algae... more of a blend with the mature live rock I put in to start...it is growing slowly..so I feel this is a good thng..it looks natural.... Phosphates are still at 0 ..nitrates are around 5ppm...I've got the salinity up to and holding at 1.025 ppm and the calcium at a little over 400 ppm....my bubble tip took a road trip and moved about 6" around the corner.. and stays wide open most of the time.. it enjoys a shrimp dinner every other day.. I had to harvest macro algae.. some went t o the refugium .. the rest I gave to a friend ... I've even observed my sponge feeding ( sending up the tubes)...I've added a few more occupants.... a finger leather coral and a bubble coral.., the tanks finally looking "lived in "instead of sterile... yet water remains CRYSTAL CLEAR... and I've learned red and blue leg crabs are vicious little mothers... most have been exiled to the refugium or given away..I think I have 4 or 5 small ones left( obviously took bad advise on how many to stock). AND if they keep harassing my feather duster...they gone!... and my peppermint shrimp has molted twice...my only issues is keeping snails...and I suspect the hermits are at the root of the problem...I've got 3.... I'd like to have one for each 10 gallons of water ...
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:22 PM   #38
 
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I have some nice Green sinularia you can have a piece of if you are going softy corals.
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:09 PM   #39
 
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my only issues is keeping snails...and I suspect the hermits are at the root of the problem...I've got 3.... I'd like to have one for each 10 gallons of water ...
I've had the same problem with my blue legs, despite having dozens of free shells of assorted sizes on the bottom of the aquarium, they continued to kill my snails for their shells as well as each other.
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Old 06-21-2014, 05:51 PM   #40
 
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You must find proper balance my friend,or just get turbo snails that have the large operculum to protect themselves. You can try and utilize snails only but you need many varieties to accomplish the task.
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