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Old 09-13-2011, 01:05 AM   #31
 
I will have to look into scarlets! Thanks for the tip. And yes I completely agree. I have loads more research to do. Who knows, this could be my difinitive list (probably not) or I could end up with none of these fish haha. I'm the kind of person who likes to make a rough draft and then revise, revise, revise! So I'm sure this stocking list will go through a few changes before I even begin imagining purchasing fish.
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:40 AM   #32
 
Aw man, so I'm doing a virtual buy of everything I will need for a 75g including what the fish and inverts will need food wise... I'm already over $350!!!! Without the tank, stand, lights, or fish!!! Geez! lol so then I remembered this add I saw a little while ago... uh oh, it's 90 gallons.. technecally I have room for it but it seems so big! What does everyone think? Basically I would just have to buy fish, although I was looking foreward to watching my new tank cycle, I suppose there will be a small cycle here.. anyways, the add, everything but fish is included..

fish tank comes with 50 pounds live rock , live sand , protein skimmer, wetdry filter , stand , light timer .... asking $300 rehoming fee ....

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Old 09-13-2011, 03:11 AM   #33
 
Thinking about it.. This just seems like too much for me. I mean I originally started out wanting something 30 or 40 gallons.. this is triple that. I think I'm going down to 40 gallons.. It's probably easier to upgrade later than downgrade.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:45 AM   #34
 
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that filter is for a large size freshwater tank, not for long term saltwater success. so, if you did buy it, i would DIY a 20 long as a sump instead personally.

40 gallons is a nice size to start with, i think i would still do a 20 long for a sump. the 40 im working on now has a 40 sump.. i didnt need to go this big, but i already had it built so i used it. that extra water volume is going to help me greatly anyways.
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:28 AM   #35
 
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Thank you! Yea, I'm still tentative about the angel. From what I understand, they all can be destructive to coral. What I think I would do is see if my LFS has a return/exchange policy so that I could take the fish home, quarentine it, and then place it in my tank for a week or two and if it does bother the corals, maybe exchange it for a fish of equal value. Probably a long shot lol but it's worth asking. And yea I thought the same thing about crabs too, but on LiveAquaria is stated that this is one of the only coral/reef friendly crabs. I wouldnt like it snagging my snails though.. Do you think if I purchased a few extra shells and placed them around the tank it would choose those over stealing them? I'm not a big crab fan in general, but this little guy is so pretty! And it's rated as a beginner invert - deff what I need :)

I have never had issues with these guys grabbing my turbo snails shells. Might be that they are to big for them. Then again I have a bunch of other shells scattered about for their new houses.
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:30 PM   #36
 
OF2F - I think 40 is a good size for me. I'm comfortable with that and pretty confident that I can keep it healthy. I do have a 20g tank sitting around that I could use for a sump/refugium, but how could I make it quiet? I thought sumps had like 2 or 3 water falls in them?

Reefing - Good to hear you've never had problems. I would most likely only have one and I would give it extra shells as well. I suppose if it ended up being a hard core snail bandit I would have to either trade it in for another one or not have snails.
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:57 PM   #37
 
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OF2F - I think 40 is a good size for me. I'm comfortable with that and pretty confident that I can keep it healthy. I do have a 20g tank sitting around that I could use for a sump/refugium, but how could I make it quiet? I thought sumps had like 2 or 3 water falls in them?

Reefing - Good to hear you've never had problems. I would most likely only have one and I would give it extra shells as well. I suppose if it ended up being a hard core snail bandit I would have to either trade it in for another one or not have snails.
there will prob. always be some type of noise standing next to a tank, unless its built into a wall and the fish room is remote. pumps slight hum or alittle gurgle from an overflow...

building doors for your stand to enclose the sump would be a good start. the height of all 3 chambers can be close, lowering the distance the water "drops" down to the next tier. if the return pump is in the middle, the drain is split to run to either side of the sump, one to the skimmer side, one to the refugium side and these can have equal water levels. the return pump section could be 75%-80% full (depending where you wanted it) leaving the water to only travel a few inches into this section. ofcourse as your water evaporates ( as it does daily and needs to be topped off with RO/DI water, NOT salt water as salt wont evaporate ) this may draw alittle more noise but shouldnt be un-bareable. the evap. water should be replaced daily anyways. you can also run the water slower through your sump. smaller overflow and/or a smaller return pump ( never larger then your drain can handle, this = flood ) will give you a slower paced sump which would run quieter.

reefing - i agree never turbos but astreas, ceriths and the rest are all fair game. im not a huge fan of turbos personally anyways because they are so clumsy with frags.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:08 PM   #38
 
Thanks again! I expect some noise, of course. I just want to be able to sleep in the same room haha! I think I understand what you're saying about the overflow in the sump.. but I'm still a bit foggy on sumps in general. I've read the stickies and a bunch online, I guess I just don't understand the mechanics exactly, like the return pump, how does the water actually get into the sump lol, and where the components of a filter would go. I wish I could see one in person.

On a different note.. when I get to the point where Im ready to put live/dry rock in, do I just stack them and trust that they dont fall or do I silicone them together or something? How would I attach frags too, silicone?
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:47 PM   #39
 
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Thanks again! I expect some noise, of course. I just want to be able to sleep in the same room haha! I think I understand what you're saying about the overflow in the sump.. but I'm still a bit foggy on sumps in general. I've read the stickies and a bunch online, I guess I just don't understand the mechanics exactly, like the return pump, how does the water actually get into the sump lol, and where the components of a filter would go. I wish I could see one in person.

On a different note.. when I get to the point where Im ready to put live/dry rock in, do I just stack them and trust that they dont fall or do I silicone them together or something? How would I attach frags too, silicone?

ofcourse there are many designs but i like setting my sumps up as follows,

| drain in, skimmer | bubble trap | return pump, heater | divider wall | refugium, drain in |

this type of sump is displayed on my tank thread. the water will get down to the sump from an overflow box, hang on overflow, or reef-ready tank ( which comes with an overflow )
i am not a fan of reef ready tanks only because i feel their overflows are oversized and take up a section of the tank top to bottom, some reef ready tanks have 2 of these overflows.
i have found glass-holes overflows to be a fraction of the size while not lacking in performance. ive gone the hang on overflow route and have caused a flood due to an aqualifter clogging. this shouldnt ever happen with a drilled tank as they dont use aqualifters to restart like a hang on overflow if ever a poweroutage occurs.
looking at others setups should hopefully greatly help. youtubing sumps wouldnt hurt either.

you can attach rock with zip ties, drilling it and using plastic hangers ( although china plastic may release un-wanted chemicles ) they do sell acrylic rods but they are expensive. theres also aquarium putty but i wouldnt use silicon to attach rock to rock. on my new tank ive used pond foam to create my rockwall, this is my first experience with this and im so far happy with it. ive done tanks before with careful stacking but you wouldnt want a big rock tumble to occur. super glue for frags to frag plugs, rock rubble or empty shells, then place into your tank or onto a frag rack. aquarium putty might be good here for the underside of the rock rubble frag plug to prevent it from being knocked over ( in my experience usually from large turbo snails ) but its also good to be able to move frags around atleast at first incase its not happy where it was placed.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:52 PM   #40
 
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and the idea with rock work is to create archways, pillars, caves and so on instead of a solid rock wall. ofcourse if its the rockwall that you enjoy looking at by all means its your tank, but thats just how i would aquascape.
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