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Old 04-26-2010, 10:22 AM   #11
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LOL Willie!!!

wake49 - thank you for the clarification. I went to my LFS finally yesterday. They weren't busy so I got to chat with one of the very knowlegeable guys there about my plans. He also suggested that I get a protein skimmer. He said he would never run a saltwater tank w/o one. He did tell me to stay away from the types of protein skimmers that run using an airstone, that they were poo and to get one that has an actual motor.

He also said they go by a general rule of 1 lb live rock per gallon, that it usually gives the "full" look. He told me that all the fish I was planning to get should be OK together. I also apparently need more cleanup crew like snails/crabs in addition to the ones I am planning. I think the type of starfish I am going to get is a "chocolate chip" starfish!
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:30 AM   #12
I don't agree with what your LFS has told you.

Marine tanks can easily be run skimmer-less, especially smaller tanks.

For the latter few months when I was using a protein skimmer, I made one using an air stone and it was superb. REALLY good. Admittedly it was recirculating with a pump, but all the air was coming from an air stone.

What I find is that the design of the skimmer, FAR outweighs the type of skimmer. All you need is small bubbles with a high contact time. It really doesn't matter how that's archived at all.
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:41 AM   #13
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Well, maybe all the ones he's used w/an airstone happened to be poorly designed? :/

With everything I've read about filtering, etc since my first post about this... I think I'd rather have a protein skimmer personally.
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:56 AM   #14
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The 1 lb/ gallon rule is a good way to ge started, but remember that some rock is more dense than others. If you buy really wet, non-porous rock, than you will reach that 1 lb a gallon fast. I just judge it by eye.

And you will do great with a Protein skimmer. It will help keep your alkalinity in check much easier than without one...
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:00 AM   #15
Thats probably it. Some are good, some are bad. Easy to judge one based on another as they appear so similar.

I'm not advising to not have a protein skimmer, I absolutely recommend it in fact. I'm merely saying there's no reason to be petrified of running a saltwater without a skimmer.
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:26 AM   #16
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Thank you, wake & willie :)

Yeah I would rather have a protein skimmer... I do eventually want to do some corals, even though it may be months and months down the road.

I have to completely prove myself at this before my hubby will let me have his seal of approval for a large marine tank (since it's such an investment!!) I'm a stay at home Mom so its all his decision since I don't pay the bills, LOL! So I think a skimmer will give me a little extra failure insurance, heh.

Oh, and I think I may have finally decided on a skimmer... AquaEuroUSA Nano and just keep my existing filter and use a fine carbon bag in it. I already have a big canister of activated carbon anyways, I don't think there is any reason for me to get a different filter just for that when I will have the live rock/sand and protein skimmer.

Will I still need a powerhead with both of those? Or will they provide enough circulation?
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:10 PM   #17
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You won't need a powerhead until you start with the corals. I think that this would be enough circulation for a FOWLR>
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:20 PM   #18
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Thanks. I have checked all my LFSs around the area, none carry in stock the right skimmer for me.

I was planning on setting it up tomorrow, w/the rock, sand, heater, & filter...

will it be ok to go ahead and set it up w/o the protein skimmer till it gets here, since I have to order it online and have it shipped??
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Old 04-26-2010, 05:38 PM   #19
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Wow, trukgirl, your already starting! i wish I could start now, but I have to wait until my basement is finished, so that I can move things around and have space for the new tank that will hold my current fish.

I kind of felt the same way you do about the protein skimmer in the beginning. It would kind of give me that sense of extra security for the health of my tank, but then I thought it would also not be that hard just to do water changes and refill the carbon things every month. It's only like 6$ for three carbon refills. Protein skimmers are a little bit more expensive anyways.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:13 PM   #20
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Yah, I am going to get my living room cleaned up this eve and move the 10g back in there at the end of the entertainment center (It was there originally before we got the 55g last yr, moved it into the office) if its going to be my first saltwater tank I want everyone to be able to look at it all the time haha. I've actually been planning this ever since my sister decided to give me back the 5g Eclipse Hex tank I bought her for Xmas. She decided fish weren't for her. So I figured out how to re-arrange my fish (thanks to aqadvisor) in a good way between the 55g & the 5 (I had 2 deaths last month of some large fish in my 55g, so I had some room) Plus I got the really small fish away from my Knifefish... he is getting big enough to eat them lol!

I'm going to go ahead and buy saltwater from the LFS, and get my live rock & sand in, and have it running hopefully sometime tomorrow. I have to order my protein skimmer so it will be a week before I put THAT on, but at least I will get the cycle going. Oh, and I WILL be doing the same you are with the carbon anyways, using my existing filter.

.......I've also read a lot of set-up guides that say you can put a dead shrimp (like a very small peel n eat shrimp that humans eat) in a stocking or just in the tank to get the bacteria cycle going??? Anyone have experience with that??
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