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Old 08-09-2009, 05:38 AM   #41
 
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Hey Rob, can you do me a favor going forward and refer to the tank size when you say the tank number? Something like this: "Tank #2, 55 gallons". I know we've been talking for a while now, but there are so many different people on here the small details get lost. I have to keep going back and rereading all of our threads to remind myself which tank size is which! You could also just update your signature to include a very brief tank summary.

The Cortez Angel has become increasingly difficult to find. It is one of my favorites, but becoming rare. The color of this fish changes as it matures, so you could consider another species that looks similar as a juvinile, but more attractive as an adult. The Koran Angel and Emperor Angel both fit this need and are more readily available.

The French Angel grows very large, very fast, producing ridiculous amounts of waste in the process. I would personally avoid this fish. Also, your "False Lemonpeel Angelfish", more often called the Heraldi Angelfish, could cause issues when another Angelfish is introduced. You have a Centropyge genus of angelfish, so adding a Pomacanthus genus, such as those being discussed above, does give you a good opportunity of success, but there is always risk. Personally, I would do it, and I would add an Emperor Angel.

All of this depends on the tank size of #3, which I was unable to find and I can't remember. You need at least 125 gallons to pull this off, otherwise forget about it.
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:16 AM   #42
 
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Hey Rob, can you do me a favor going forward and refer to the tank size when you say the tank number? Something like this: "Tank #2, 55 gallons". I know we've been talking for a while now, but there are so many different people on here the small details get lost. I have to keep going back and rereading all of our threads to remind myself which tank size is which! You could also just update your signature to include a very brief tank summary.

The Cortez Angel has become increasingly difficult to find. It is one of my favorites, but becoming rare. The color of this fish changes as it matures, so you could consider another species that looks similar as a juvinile, but more attractive as an adult. The Koran Angel and Emperor Angel both fit this need and are more readily available.

The French Angel grows very large, very fast, producing ridiculous amounts of waste in the process. I would personally avoid this fish. Also, your "False Lemonpeel Angelfish", more often called the Heraldi Angelfish, could cause issues when another Angelfish is introduced. You have a Centropyge genus of angelfish, so adding a Pomacanthus genus, such as those being discussed above, does give you a good opportunity of success, but there is always risk. Personally, I would do it, and I would add an Emperor Angel.

All of this depends on the tank size of #3, which I was unable to find and I can't remember. You need at least 125 gallons to pull this off, otherwise forget about it.
Tank #3 is a 56 gal corner tank I just got. Tank #1 is my 80 gal main tank and Tank #2 is my 55 gal office tank. Sorry about that.

Yeah I am thinking of adding may be a few tangs (yellow eyed) or maybe brown tangs. I had a Powder blue tang which I loved but he didn't last long and died. I hear they are kinda delicate. The French Angel I bought was sick and a poor purchase (he was pale and had ragged fins...I guess I was SO excited to finally find one thus the purchase thinking I could nurse him back to health) But I didn't know that they are such messy and involved as you seem to indicate. An Emperor Angel huh? Same family as a Koran Angel right?

I do plan to upgrade to a 180gal tank but that won't be until my PCS move to Texas next May. Am still trying to figure out how in god's name I'll get all my fish down there alive and with minimal trauma when the time comes as movers don't do live fish and tanks I am sure! LOL
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:36 AM   #43
 
Tank #3 (56gal guest room new tank) Added a false lemonpeel tang which died after 3 days. Still think it is probably too new to start adding sensitive fish to this tank and will give it another few weeks and a water change or two. Sump is working well so far Skimmer producing some foam.

Hippo tangs in Tank #1 (80g main tank - problem tank) are doing well and happy..when not being chased by P.Asfur from time to time. No harm done although. Cleaned up red cynobacteria in the sand and some rocks yesterday.

Tank #2 (office tank 55g) still stable. No deaths. Good water quality. Ph adjusting/weill re-check. Sump stable.

Will add some more snails and sand sifters when I get some more time to keep things clear/clean! :)
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:46 PM   #44
 
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Rob, I am still shocked by the large number of deaths you are having occur. Are you using multiple LFS's, or just the same shop?
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:53 AM   #45
 
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Rob, I am still shocked by the large number of deaths you are having occur. Are you using multiple LFS's, or just the same shop?
Back to your Q..Using multiple LFS's. Most recent near Baltimorel, PetCo 2 miles from the house, another LFS near base. Mostly have been using the 1st and last recently..although all recent deaths all seem to have come from the same LFS in Baltimore (tang, False lemon peel, previous Tiggers in 1st/Main tank) now that you mention it. I haven't used the Baltimore LFS really that much until June/July time frame since it was farther away from work. LFS near base was only 10 mins away prior to that and have used that one almost exclusively up until that point. Most of those fish are alive and well in Tank #2 and the deaths we 1st talked about at the start of this post were in the Main tank 80gal. Those were a combo of new additions and old timers and like you said I think it was the water that was the problem. It is wierd tho as I added TWO keyhole tangs to tank #3 and 1 died; the other alive and doing well? Both were same size but I was assured they'd be okay together by Baltimore LFS staff. Lemonpeel I couldn't find and assumed he was still hidding behing some live rock as he had been and didn't find him deceased untill much later after adding the Keyhole/yellow eye tangs. These were the 1st fish added to the system..could it just have been new tank syndrome? Water was pretty good when tested over 3rd week of setup. Used live sand/live rock, and also pre-mixed salt water from store and also some from my "good" tank (#55gal office with all the live and happy fish) in setup. Anyway the tank#3 is y what 5 weeks old now I think so it should be okay for livestock, right?

Re-Water tested last PM on Guest tank #3 56gal corner aq:
ph=8.0, Pho=1.0, Alk=1.7-2.8 Normal, Ca=340, Nitrate=5-10, NH3=0.0, Nitrite=0.25 sgrav=1.026.
Sump has NO bioballs, about 2-4lbs of live rock replaced where the bioballs were and Marineland Advanced100 Skimmer (cleaned yesterday am getting good skim-stuff), and Magna Drive 3 return pump all working. Fluval 450 for water circulation empty with some charcol bag in it quit on me last week (would prime...pump for about 1-2 days then stop and just run until emptied and re-primed/set up all over again then quit again after 2-3 days) so its attached now but idle.

Other than that NO death in either other tanks (#1 main 80 gal/tank #2 55 gal office) since the Clown tang and purple tang last month. Two Hippo tangs added to the 80gal tank are doing well as is the P.Asfur and marron tang original inhabitants. Only thing else added to all tanks have been hermit crabs, nessarious snails, and starfish all of which are okay other that the loss of a hermit crab here or there (I think the Angels are poaching on them...my Queen/Blue picks on them sometimes I observe).

Could it be the Baltimore LFS and their fish that are the problem? Water differences vs stressed/shipped fish? What Q's should I ask them?
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:55 AM   #46
 
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Hey Rob, can you do me a favor going forward and refer to the tank size when you say the tank number? Something like this: "Tank #2, 55 gallons". I know we've been talking for a while now, but there are so many different people on here the small details get lost. I have to keep going back and rereading all of our threads to remind myself which tank size is which! You could also just update your signature to include a very brief tank summary.

The Cortez Angel has become increasingly difficult to find. It is one of my favorites, but becoming rare. The color of this fish changes as it matures, so you could consider another species that looks similar as a juvinile, but more attractive as an adult. The Koran Angel and Emperor Angel both fit this need and are more readily available.

The French Angel grows very large, very fast, producing ridiculous amounts of waste in the process. I would personally avoid this fish. Also, your "False Lemonpeel Angelfish", more often called the Heraldi Angelfish, could cause issues when another Angelfish is introduced. You have a Centropyge genus of angelfish, so adding a Pomacanthus genus, such as those being discussed above, does give you a good opportunity of success, but there is always risk. Personally, I would do it, and I would add an Emperor Angel.

All of this depends on the tank size of #3, which I was unable to find and I can't remember. You need at least 125 gallons to pull this off, otherwise forget about it.
Hi. What have you heard about the Passer Angel or the six bar Angel? My old/previous LFS has one of each that he'd said he'd hold on quarrantine for me for 3wks if I wanted to put a deposit on either of them.
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Old 08-17-2009, 06:07 PM   #47
 
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The Six Bar Angel is somewhat rare, but it is a Pomacanthus genus and should be reasonably sturdy. I'm not sure you have the space for it, however.

The Passer is difficult. Very very difficult. I would avoid this fish.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:17 AM   #48
 
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The Six Bar Angel is somewhat rare, but it is a Pomacanthus genus and should be reasonably sturdy. I'm not sure you have the space for it, however.

The Passer is difficult. Very very difficult. I would avoid this fish.
Okay I got an Emperor angel (young adult) about 6 inches long. Placed him in the main tank 80+gal (to remind you) and moved my P.Asfur (took me an hour to catch him...he really didn't want to go) and placed him in my other tank. The emperor is now hanging out with my Blue/Queen angel juvenile and so far nobody is bothering each other as the Emperor is pretty much larger by about 2 inches. Tank#1 *80+gal is now doing pretty good and maroon clow is doing well as are the 2 Hippo tangs added about 1-2 mos ago. Also added a Niger Trigger who is also doing well and there is a Royal Grama (small) hanging out to add some variety.

Tank #2 currently has the P.Asfur, chromis green x3, 2 damsels (small), and my yellow tang and Clarki clown and coral beauty. No major deaths other than a hermit crab or two. Best tank in the house and sump is working great.

Tank #3 newest one upstairs is doing okay. Had a ph spike last week that killed a royal grama (haven't seen him) but NOT my percula clown? Transplanted my foxface there and he's sharing the place wih the clown now and a Rock Beauty (small). Hear that the Rock Beauty's are hard to keep but price for size was too good to pass up so I gave him a try. ($20). Want a Gray Angel or French angel in that tank though...but am thinking on moving the Blue/Queen there in case trouble arises so am probably gonna leave that tank "angeless" so to speak just in case.

LFS also had a few (x2) clown tangs...I miss mine! :( he's been gone for about 3 months now but he was a good and hardy fish.

Anyway am checking water every 2 weeks all parameters still and watching calcium, alk and PH closesly. Salinity less as tanks are varying around 1.026-1.029 in the tanks. A little on the high side but so far so good. Just thought I'd update you! Thoughts?
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Old 09-10-2009, 06:00 AM   #49
 
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You need to continue lowering the salinity. 1.026 should be an absolute high.

I think you may find the Rock Beauty to be easier to care for than its reputation. It is a sturdy fish initially and generally easy to feed. The long term problems lie in the dietary requirements. Fortunately in the industry today we have a large variety of frozen foods and algae sheets available. I would make sure you are feeding Angel Formula frozen foods, as well as Formula One and Formula Two frozen. Just as important will be to feed algae sheets daily. My fish eat a 6''x8'' strip of algae daily. I feed San Francisco Bay brand, which you can purchase in bulk here:
Seaweed Salad Green Algae - 100 sheets | Seaweed | Fish Food | Aquarium - ThatPetPlace.com
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:41 AM   #50
 
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You need to continue lowering the salinity. 1.026 should be an absolute high.

I think you may find the Rock Beauty to be easier to care for than its reputation. It is a sturdy fish initially and generally easy to feed. The long term problems lie in the dietary requirements. Fortunately in the industry today we have a large variety of frozen foods and algae sheets available. I would make sure you are feeding Angel Formula frozen foods, as well as Formula One and Formula Two frozen. Just as important will be to feed algae sheets daily. My fish eat a 6''x8'' strip of algae daily. I feed San Francisco Bay brand, which you can purchase in bulk here:
Seaweed Salad Green Algae - 100 sheets | Seaweed | Fish Food | Aquarium - ThatPetPlace.com
Yeah we'll see. I've been looking at an Elbi Angel to add at some point as well but am not sure how durable they are. I did get angel frozen cubes and have a good quantity of mysis shrimp and brine shimp along with some squid frozen cubes for food to substitute the normal flake I feed them and sinking pellets. I do add Green Algae sheets every other day so I'll check the site you suggest.

On the other hand I think I do have a rather large crab/crustecean of some sort in my corner tank. I found him munching on I think one of my starfish at the bottom under a rock. Am afraid of him getting hold of one of my fishes especially the Rock Beauty as they are both rather small <2 inches and this guy looks pretty large (crab) about 1.5-2" What do you think should I catch him? Did he hitch a ride with my live rock? I even watched him catch one of my blue legged hermits yesterday and polish him off too. thoughts? He shouldn't harm my Gray/Black Angel of Foxface currently in the tank should he? They are both much larger than him (gray angel is as big as my palm and the foxface as my whole hand) so should be safe correct?
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