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Old 07-11-2009, 09:38 PM   #31
 
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There are certainly aspects of this hobby which are open to opinion and individual interpretation. Canister filters fall into this category. They do exactly what they advertise and they do it very well, which is to remove waste and polish water. Unfortunately, they don't tell you the "side effects" that come with this, which are excess Nitrate and Phosphate.

Now, if you are willing to do large water changes, say 20% or so weekly, then this might not be that big of an issue for you. Personally I think this is wasted effort and I prefer to use a Protein Skimmer to accomplish nutrient removal, without the negative side effects and wasted time & money on water changes.
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Old 07-12-2009, 03:36 PM   #32
 
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There are certainly aspects of this hobby which are open to opinion and individual interpretation. Canister filters fall into this category. They do exactly what they advertise and they do it very well, which is to remove waste and polish water. Unfortunately, they don't tell you the "side effects" that come with this, which are excess Nitrate and Phosphate.

Now, if you are willing to do large water changes, say 20% or so weekly, then this might not be that big of an issue for you. Personally I think this is wasted effort and I prefer to use a Protein Skimmer to accomplish nutrient removal, without the negative side effects and wasted time & money on water changes.
No am not willing to change 20% of the water on each of three tanks weekly. That's more than a job...it's an adventure as they used to say! LOL Hmm. Neither of my tanks has an overflow built in (not reef tanks) so I think I will keep the cannister filters as they are paid for but run them without media and just the polishing pads and them service them monthly. That way it seems to be shorter and less intesive than purchasing and changing media every week on 3 different tanks. Wil continue the skimmers I am running on tank 1 and 2 and add one later on to tank 3 (newest one).

On another note I guess a sump if I can find a compact one to fit in the available space on the new tank and tank1 & 2 may be an option. However neither tank is a reef tank so how do I go about doing so? From my research and reading the Sump article avail on the forum it looks as if my only option is an external prefilter box with a gravity sump below the system in the cabinet stand. Corrrect? Any options or recommendations? What do you think about these choices I've come across?

Skilter Filters

Aquarium Filtration: Rapids Pro Series Wet/Dry Filter Systems

Reef Aquarium Filtration: Eshopps Wet-Dry Filters

Aquarium Wet-Dry Filters: Marineland High Capacity Acrylic Sump Filtration Systems

Aquarium Filtration: All-Glass Aquarium MegaFlow Sump Filter Wet/Dry Filter
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Old 08-02-2009, 02:30 AM   #33
 
Latest water testing numbers from today. Am now testing more thorougly parameters. Thoughts anyone?

Main tank #1 (problem one)
Ph=8.2, Calc=400, Alk=Normal 1.2-2.8, Phos=5.0, Amonia=0.0, Nitrate=20, Nitrite=0.0

Office tank #2 (healthy fish one)
Ph=7.8, Calc=380, Alk=Normal 1.2-2.8, Phos=1.0, Amonia=0.25, Nitrate=0.0, Nitrate=0.25

Guest Room tank #3 (New setup - NO FISH)
Ph=8.0, Calc=360, Alk=Normal 1.2-2.8, Phos=2.0, Amonia=0.25, Nitrate=20, Nitrite=0.0

All fish remaining in tank #1 Maroon clown and P. Ashur are doing well as is the sifting starfish and remaining hermit crab/blue legged. No further deaths.

Tank #2 other than a Clarki Clownfish now harrasing the Percula clown who was the original inhabitant; everyone else seem to be happy and thriving. Sump should be set up and running tomorrow AM.

Tank #3 setup now in week #3; NO FISH yet. Numbers look okay to start adding in fish yet soon? Anythoughts? Sump is up and running and so far doing good although not much skimmed from the skimmer. Sumps been running about 3 days now with about 4lbs of live rock added and bio-balls removed.

Hope to see some improved results and happier/healthier fish soon! :)
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Old 08-02-2009, 06:21 AM   #34
 
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It sounds like things are settling down. My advice is continue to be patient on tank #1 and #2. When you think everything is ready for fish, wait another week. You've had a lot of deaths and we want to be certain things are ready.

I noticed that #2 and #3 have calcium levels under 400ppm and lower pH levels. 7.8 especially is a scary number, because we do not know if this is the lowest daily reading or an average reading. Whenever you see test results such as these, with low pH, low calcium, and normal alkalinity, I would suggest you supplement calcium chloride and retest the next day. You will probably add your buffer as well after the 2nd test.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:48 PM   #35
 
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It sounds like things are settling down. My advice is continue to be patient on tank #1 and #2. When you think everything is ready for fish, wait another week. You've had a lot of deaths and we want to be certain things are ready.

I noticed that #2 and #3 have calcium levels under 400ppm and lower pH levels. 7.8 especially is a scary number, because we do not know if this is the lowest daily reading or an average reading. Whenever you see test results such as these, with low pH, low calcium, and normal alkalinity, I would suggest you supplement calcium chloride and retest the next day. You will probably add your buffer as well after the 2nd test.
Hi Okay retested the water in the main tank #1 and results were:
ph=8.0, Calc=360, Alk=1.7-2.8 Hi Norm, Phos=5.0, Amonia=0.25, Nitrite=0.0, Nitrate=5-10. Looks like you're right and things are stabilizing. Add another staffish, and some blue legged hermit crabs and all are doing well and going about their business.

I went ahead yesterday and bought 2 small Hippo tangs about 1-2" each and added them yesterday 8/5 evening. Turned the lights off and fed the P.Asfur 1st. After some initial worrying and nervous moments they were still swimming and hidding up at the top of the tank near my skimmer and intake hoses and heater. Checked them before going to sleep and they were doing okay and have done well throughout the day. This evening they are swimming and ate flakes and being chased by the P.Asfur from his favorite lurking places as they investigate the tank. Maron clown is ignoring them. So so far so good. Will do another water change this weekend probably and monitor things closely. I do have this velvet red covering of what I believe is algae all over the rock and some of the sand...wondering if that's what it is. Any thoughts?

Tank #2 got the sump working properly; had a problem with my return pump. Bought a Magna 5 and its intake is higher than the min water level in the return sump so it was running dry almost and pumping faster into the tank than the overflow could keep up...kept loosing siphon in about 12-18 hrs. Even with an aqualifter pump. So I added a ball valve to be able to adjust flow back into the tank; drilled a siphon break into the return line in the tank and added an elbow to the Magna 5 return pump intake so it reaches down to <1/2 " water in the return outflow. Now things seem to be working well with good consistent return, no siphon breaks, and overflow box constantly filling. Also the Marineland 100 Sump Skimmer arrived today and put that into the sump (Oceanic Reef) and its working now. Fish in the tank are doing well; have had no deaths and added one sifting starfish and a few blue legged hermits 2 days ago as well. Korella 2 wave pump arriving next weekend to help water flow.

Tank #3 doing well. Sump working but like I said Fluval 405 has died. Won't maintain consistent pumping. Works for about 48hrs then no flow and just motor humming/vibration. Drain and re-start; prime and away it goes till it stops again a few hours later when I find no flow from it. Am not using any media other than some live rock in it and mostly for water flow. Korellia 2 wave pump also ordered to add to that tank to help out flow as well. Return pump in sump is still working okay. Quiet One 1200 and seems to be able to keep up with most of the flow. May upgrade but the AquaClear Slimline 60 Sump has limited space so the Magna Drives are too big to fit in the return section. Maybe a higher flow/gph pump upgrade from the Quiet one? Will retest water this weekend on tank #3. Added two emerald crabs and a few blue leg hermits and two sand sifting starfish on 8/5. All doing well. Yesterday 1st inhabitant added also Yellow Pygmy Angel which is doing well. No problems. Fed well in store on brine shirmp (I asked and they fed since he was a fairly new arrival) and had fed in the tank twice today. Exploring his surroundings and hidding appropriately when I come near! LOL

So far so good...hope this continues and thanks for all the advice. Keep it comming.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:30 AM   #36
 
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On the Blue Hippo Tangs, don't be surprised if they spend a lot of time in hiding, sometimes even laying flat on the ground with no color. It takes several weeks to months for this fish to acclimate to new surroundings and feel comfortable.

On your new skimmer, it will take a week or so to "break in", so don't be to concerned with the results you achieve until after the break in period.

Glad to see things are going well.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:06 PM   #37
 
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On the Blue Hippo Tangs, don't be surprised if they spend a lot of time in hiding, sometimes even laying flat on the ground with no color. It takes several weeks to months for this fish to acclimate to new surroundings and feel comfortable.

On your new skimmer, it will take a week or so to "break in", so don't be to concerned with the results you achieve until after the break in period.

Glad to see things are going well.
Yes both Marineland 100 Skimmers are puting out nothing so far. No brown liquid filtrate like my HOB Aqua C does pretty regularly on my main tank. I guess they'll kick in at some point.

What do you think the red stuff is on the rocks and sand; algae? Should I remove it or will the fish gradully take care of it. It's kinda red velvety looking. Also added some algae in the return sections of my HOB Skimmer and in the 2 sumps too as last time I put it in th tank...the angels and tangs ate it pretty quickly! LOL

Will post Tank #2 and #3 water quality #s later this weekend. What do you think about tank #1's recent post...any insight on what caused the deaths now that there are some more retrospective data/numbers and time to review?

So far no deaths and all are well although you're right the Hippo tangs are hidding most of the time when not being chased out of the P.Asfur's favorite cracks and crevices. LOL Am assuming he's gotten a little used to having most of the tank to himself with all the other recent deaths and sees himself as the justified SOLE survivor! LOL
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:36 AM   #38
 
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I really think that pH is the primary culprit of what happened in your system #1. It is very difficult to look back sometimes, and an educated guess is what we have at best. The series of water changes you have done, and the patience to wait this out a bit, have probably allowed you to get past whatever the issue was. Just keep a very close eye on alkalinity and calcium stability going forward.

I think your algae is cynobacteria. "Red velvet" pretty much sums it up. Just wait it out, and possibly redirect water circulation towards the problem area.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:15 AM   #39
 
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I really think that pH is the primary culprit of what happened in your system #1. It is very difficult to look back sometimes, and an educated guess is what we have at best. The series of water changes you have done, and the patience to wait this out a bit, have probably allowed you to get past whatever the issue was. Just keep a very close eye on alkalinity and calcium stability going forward.

I think your algae is cynobacteria. "Red velvet" pretty much sums it up. Just wait it out, and possibly redirect water circulation towards the problem area.
What is cynobacteria? I thought it was algae
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:26 AM   #40
 
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I really think that pH is the primary culprit of what happened in your system #1. It is very difficult to look back sometimes, and an educated guess is what we have at best. The series of water changes you have done, and the patience to wait this out a bit, have probably allowed you to get past whatever the issue was. Just keep a very close eye on alkalinity and calcium stability going forward.

I think your algae is cynobacteria. "Red velvet" pretty much sums it up. Just wait it out, and possibly redirect water circulation towards the problem area.
Tank #2 doing well. Sump runing; no further breaks since I switched the lines on the Aqualifter pump...seems to have had them reversed thus the frequent siphon breaks in the CPR overflow after 10-12 hrs. No fish deaths. All doing well; rearrange sump return a little to min bubbles and increase current flow. Still waiting on Korellia 2 arrives next week. Water tesiting was: Sp grav=1.026 PH=7.8, Calc=360, Phos=5.0, Alk=1.7-2.8 N, Amonia=0.0, Nitrate=0.0, Nitrite=0.0.

Tank #3 the new one is doing well. Starting week #4 since set up. Single new inhabitant False Lemonpeel Angel is doing fine. Investigating his new surroundings and hiding when he sees me. Sump is working well; no breaks. Starfish are all over the sand and on the glass too. Water test this PM was: sp grav=1.024, Ph=8.4, Phos=1.0, Calc=360, Amonia=0.25, Alk=1.7-2.8, Nitrate=0.0, Nitrite=0.0.

So I guess after 3 weeks plus of water changes and the addition of two sumps and no new livestock things maybe looking better. Oh yeah and alot of live rock too! LOL I guess I should continue the changes now albeit less frequently and monitor the water quality and sump status. :) Anything else?

Now does anyone know where I can find a nice small juvenile French Angel for the new tank? LOL or a Cortez angel?
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