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All in One or no All in One!!!!!!!
Old 01-06-2007, 12:03 PM   #21
 
Hi again,

I just found a tank topfin i think and i was wondering with kind i should get long or tall. What do you think would be better for corals and stuff.
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Old 01-06-2007, 01:59 PM   #22
 
Lol sorry for all these posts but i wanted to know if this light would be good enough for the stuff i want on a 20 gallon

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...roduct=ES53005

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Also i wanted to know what a ballast is?.



And could you tell me if any of these pumps are good?

And what flow rate should i get?

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I dont even know if i can actually use any of these but w.e i would just like the cheapest good quality one.

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Old 01-06-2007, 05:45 PM   #23
 
I think you should get the 20 high. I like them becuase with a 20 long there is a lot of surface area for evaporation on the top. This would be alright if you would just keep replenishing the lost water but the thing of it is that in a 20 long the disance the water will go down will not be noticable so you will not beable to replenish the water corectly. In a 20 h you will easily beable to see the water loss and replace it. Now if you got a sump then i would recemend a 20 long because you can fit more coral and sense they are shallow the lighting will be much more effective.
For that light i would recemend that for a soft or low and some medium light corals. go for the duel bulb fixture so you can keep cooler corals.
A balast? you dont need to know anything about them your light will come with it. all i know is you need one.
all those pumps are fine. What do you plan on useing them for? I would recemend the sio seio sence you willl not have a strong main pump from a sump.
You should get a few powerheads.
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Old 01-06-2007, 05:58 PM   #24
 
I still dont know if im doing a sump but i found 10 gallon tnaks for 11 bucks so how could i build it outa that. And i still dont know why i need the overflow thingy. If the water overflows into the little overflow box how does it get up hill and down to the sump withought a pump.
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Old 01-06-2007, 09:33 PM   #25
 
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You don't need a sump...... But it can drastically improve the quality of the tank. Most of the all in one nanos do not have provisions for an over flow. Please keep that in mind. You might just want to get a 20g for $20, an overflow box for $40, a nice high wattage T5 light (or even better yet 150-250w metal halide), a 10g tank for sump, a nice Eheim hobby pump to lift the water back up, a small ASM skimmer to clean the water. My guess is you could get it all for $300 or a little less depending upon how much you research. Oh and I forget you Canuks have to add about another 20% for exchange rates. Canadian quarters, hah what a joke.


The most important step you can make is to nail down exactly what you want from the tank right here and now. You can always "grow" into the tank but it will cost a lot more then just setting it up the first time.

So are you interested in SPS, clams and inverts?

Are you interested in brightly colored puffy corals like brain corals or hammer corals?


Do you prefer mushrooms and zoas?

Do you only want a fish tank?

Do you want a mix of everything, if so then figure you'll need the whole package. A softie tank, shrooms and leathers only, will need minimal attention. LPS tanks will need better lighting and flow. SPS and clam tanks will need the cleanest of water, highest of lighting and flow. If you plan to mix then plan on an SPS tank so you can grow into the tank instead of growing the tank into your needs.
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Old 01-07-2007, 11:35 AM   #26
 
Good point on the whole exchange rate thing mike. But he already found a dealer of tetrafin.
I think he should go all the way. If you get a job you could have a sick tank. I will be geting a camera within a week so i will be sending some picks your way to try to explain to you some of this stuff. Like the over flow box. all you need to know is if you want a sump,you need a overflow.
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Old 01-07-2007, 01:22 PM   #27
 
Thanks every one money wouldn't be an issue but i have to be looking toward a driving school, a car, collage. If i were older i would have everything done buy now. Umm wel i just took like an hour for no reason and drew a diagram plz tell me if its right and everything is in the right spot. I dont know how im gonna get my hands on the supplies and cut every thing right for a sump. Although i could buy one from glasscages unless anyone knows somewhere else to get it. Also i have one more question about the overflow box. How does the water get over the thing and into te sump. Secondly why cant i just stick a hose in and use a pump to bring the water down. It's cheaper than buying a 70 dollar overflow box. Anyways heres the drawing. Any tips?

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Old 01-07-2007, 01:30 PM   #28
 
Okay i made a really quick sketch. (about 3.4576 seconds to be exact) Tell me why i cant use this instead of an overflow box.



If it's not possible ill probbably never understand until i get one if i do.lol


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Old 01-07-2007, 01:43 PM   #29
 
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You don't need a sump...... But it can drastically improve the quality of the tank. Most of the all in one nanos do not have provisions for an over flow. Please keep that in mind. You might just want to get a 20g for $20, an overflow box for $40, a nice high wattage T5 light (or even better yet 150-250w metal halide), a 10g tank for sump, a nice Eheim hobby pump to lift the water back up, a small ASM skimmer to clean the water. My guess is you could get it all for $300 or a little less depending upon how much you research. Oh and I forget you Canuks have to add about another 20% for exchange rates. Canadian quarters, hah what a joke.


The most important step you can make is to nail down exactly what you want from the tank right here and now. You can always "grow" into the tank but it will cost a lot more then just setting it up the first time.

So are you interested in SPS, clams and inverts?

Are you interested in brightly colored puffy corals like brain corals or hammer corals?


Do you prefer mushrooms and zoas?

Do you only want a fish tank?

Do you want a mix of everything, if so then figure you'll need the whole package. A softie tank, shrooms and leathers only, will need minimal attention. LPS tanks will need better lighting and flow. SPS and clam tanks will need the cleanest of water, highest of lighting and flow. If you plan to mix then plan on an SPS tank so you can grow into the tank instead of growing the tank into your needs.
I like the idea of zoas, mushrooms, hammers, maby a clam and ya colour is big on me right now. And i dont know what lps and sps means But i would like some inverts maby. Also you said i would need a sps tank if i wanted to combine so would i need a sump? and how much money would i put into it.

Since it seams like you know alot would these lights work (1 for tank and 1 for sump if i get one)

Tank
http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_...es.asp?CartId=

Sump/filter
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...roduct=ES53120

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Old 01-07-2007, 01:48 PM   #30
 
The first diagram is perfect. But you need a overeflow box. If you had a pump bringing the water down to the sump and another bringing the water back,what are the chances those pumps are gunna pump exactly the same rate? one may get gummed up a little and it would overflow your tank or your sump causeing a mess.If you dont want to pay 70 for a new overflow you could get a used one OR you could get a acrilic tank and buy a 40 dallor overflow kit,but you would need to do some drillin.
a overflow works like this. theres a u shaper siphon that pullls that water out of the tank then it splashis over this wall inside the box(i dont know the purpose of this) and then there is a whole in the bottom of the overflow were the water falls down into your sump.
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