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Old 09-13-2010, 10:07 PM   #1
 
Advice for a 50g

I'm new to the marine side of aquariums, So I'm looking for information basically from start to finish on setting up my 50g aquarium. I have the aquarium, stand, and 2 stealth 200 watt heaters, and thats basically it. I have more stuff from my previous cichlid aquarium but nothing that can be used. I have a few questions that I'd also like to have answered.

Do I need any sort of aeration like a bubbler? I have one already but I've never noticed any marine aquariums that use them.

What type of powerheads would I need?, I know what they do but I dont understand why they're neccessary..

I plan on buying a Fluval 305 Canister filter system, Is that going to be efficient enough? I know it says its good for up to 70 gallon aquariums, and flows 260gph.

I've read that some people use a Protein Skimmer in place of a canister filter, is that correct? If so whats the reason behind that.

Also I'm confused about the whole sump thing. In a previous thread of mine somebody said I should use my 29g as a sump and drill the back of my tank? Can somebody please explain.


I'm Sure this thread will grow full of questions along the way but for now I think if asked enough. I do have somewhat of a plan for my aquarium. I have been thinking about making the switch from fresh to salt water for a while now so I have somewhat of an image in my head. I've done some research of fish and corals but I'm not exactly finished with my list. Here is what I have so far, Feel free to voice opinions and let me know if anything seems incompatible.

For substrate I have decided on Nature's Ocean Marine White Sand. I looked at it when I was in Petco a few days ago and really like the way it looks and feels. If there is something that would be better as far as how smooth it looks and the color of it then please let me know. I'm looking for a really nice light tan to white color.

As far as the fish go, I've decided on either a pair of Ocellaris Clowns or One normal colored Ocellaris Clown and one Black and White Ocellaris Clown, 2 Blue Green Reef Chromis, 1 Blue Sapphire Damsel and 1 Flame Angel. As far as Inverts go I'd like to get a Blue & Pink Star Fish but I think they'd get too big for my liking. I am planning on a Scarlet Skunk Shrimp though.

For Coral I haven't quite gotten a list prepared but I do know I'd like most of my coral to be the kind that has flowing stubby tentacles.

I'm sure planning to learn alot as I go, So any information will help.
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Old 09-14-2010, 05:24 AM   #2
 
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I'm new to the marine side of aquariums, So I'm looking for information basically from start to finish on setting up my 50g aquarium. I have the aquarium, stand, and 2 stealth 200 watt heaters, and thats basically it. I have more stuff from my previous cichlid aquarium but nothing that can be used. I have a few questions that I'd also like to have answered.
Welcome to the forum Andrew, and more importantly, welcome to the marine side of the hobby! You have a great challenge ahead of you, so first let me tell you that we are here to help. The most difficult part of this process will be erasing all that information that you have from the freshwater side of the hobby. I personally think it is a lot easier to being with a marine tank, as opposed to doing freshwater first. All of the concepts you learned in freshwater will be useless on our side of the hobby, so try your best to learn from the beginning and not be influenced by old methods and habbits.

I will answer some of your more random questions first, then try not to bore you with a bit longer discussion. As we continue this thread, I would first encourage you to read a couple specific articles on our site. This will help to close the knowledge gap, and especially make you familiar with how most of us here at TFK run our marine systems. Here are the articles:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/s...shwater-31955/
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/s...ne-tank-35693/

Each of these articles provide information necessary at the very beginning. There are other articles in our article area http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/i...9a8c0836833231, all of which are updated and relevant. But I would suggest that you begin with the two I have linked so as to not overwhelm yourself at this point.

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Do I need any sort of aeration like a bubbler? I have one already but I've never noticed any marine aquariums that use them.
No, these types of bubbles result in excessive salt creep.

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What type of powerheads would I need?, I know what they do but I dont understand why they're neccessary..
In marine tanks water flow is of tremendous importance. The water flow generated from the skimmer and/or sump returns are simply not sufficient. I would suggest that you add 2 additional powerheads in the tank. The brand is not overly important, but I personally use MaxiJets. The koralia brand Hydor koralia pump hydor koralia pumps hydor koralia circulation pump koralia powerheads koralia water pump hydor koralia powerhead hydor koralia water circulation pump koralia power heads has become very popular with others on the forum. [/quote]

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I plan on buying a Fluval 305 Canister filter system, Is that going to be efficient enough? I know it says its good for up to 70 gallon aquariums, and flows 260gph.
You don't want this filter on a marine tank. Canister filters, by design, as extremelly efficient at breaking down ammonia and nitrite, with an end result of nitrate. This is not at all what we are aiming to do in a marine system. They are also effective at trapping dirt and debris, called "detritus", which we also aim to avoid in marine aquarium setups. I will avoid the very long discussion on these concepts until after you have read the Saltwater Filtration 101 article linked above.

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I've read that some people use a Protein Skimmer in place of a canister filter, is that correct? If so whats the reason behind that.
Skimmers remove organic waste directly from the system, without causing nitrate buildup, and without removing a carbonate from the buffer system.


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Also I'm confused about the whole sump thing. In a previous thread of mine somebody said I should use my 29g as a sump and drill the back of my tank? Can somebody please explain.
Again, a review of an article is appropriate.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/s...g-sumps-15930/ A sump is not mandatory, so to speak, but will greatly improve the overall health of your system, and give you a convenient place to hide your equipment.

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For substrate I have decided on Nature's Ocean Marine White Sand. I looked at it when I was in Petco a few days ago and really like the way it looks and feels. If there is something that would be better as far as how smooth it looks and the color of it then please let me know. I'm looking for a really nice light tan to white color.
Good brand. The important part of sand is to use the proper depth. You want to use less than 1'' of sand, or between 4'' and 6'' of sand. Using the 4'' to 6'' depth will help to achieve denitrification, which is the process by which Nitrate is converted into Nitrogen Gas, which leaves the system naturally. You should avoid using sand depths between 1'' and 4'', as these tend to have more problems over the long run with detritus accumulation, and are not as efficient in the denitrification benefits.

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As far as the fish go, I've decided on either a pair of Ocellaris Clowns or One normal colored Ocellaris Clown and one Black and White Ocellaris Clown, 2 Blue Green Reef Chromis, 1 Blue Sapphire Damsel and 1 Flame Angel. As far as Inverts go I'd like to get a Blue & Pink Star Fish but I think they'd get too big for my liking. I am planning on a Scarlet Skunk Shrimp though.
This part of the discussion should really wait a couple of weeks. So much depends on the filtration and aquascapping design. Are these the fish you want, or the fish you decided on based on what you think you are capable of maintaining?

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For Coral I haven't quite gotten a list prepared but I do know I'd like most of my coral to be the kind that has flowing stubby tentacles.
I will let others go into these details, but this discussion will also depend on the equipment, most importantly the lighting.

Take a minute to read those articles, and feel free to continue asking questions!
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Old 09-14-2010, 06:13 PM   #3
 
that info wasvery useful, but let me get this straight. For filtration, all that I need is a protein skimmer, live rock, and live sand? If I am going to use a sump, do I need to drill my tank? The use of a sump sounds like something that wouldbea godsend. Not having to worry about evaporation in the display tank would be great! So now that I understand the filtration and sump side of things, what isthenext step?
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:35 PM   #4
 
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yes those are the main keys to it
now for drilling yes you can get away with out doing so (mine has a HOT over flow) but from all that i have read in the long run drilling is the way to go.... watch a ton of youTube vids on over flow, plumbing and sumps to see a number of variations to these types of set ups....
next step IMO is to consider the type of tank you want
FOWLER - Fish Only With Live Rock
Reef- fish and corals (or just corals)
Fish only - well you get the idea
then research and look at others tanks to see what fits what you want... next after you decide (and plans can change but its easier from the get go) comes the most painful part

THE SHOPPING LIST....
what you want for gear
plumbing
pumps
lights
skimmer
heater and or chiller
test kits
salt mixes that fit your needs..
decide what water you will use (hot debate here!!!)
then move into how does it all come together..... once your there then everything gets really fun!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-14-2010, 10:41 PM   #5
 
I've decided to drill the tank, and use my spare 29 gallon tank as the sump. I'd like to have a propagation chamber and refugium. Do I actually need a refugium if I'm going to have a 10g Q tank. I really would like to just have the Propagation Chamber, and a place to hide my Heater, Skimmer, and Return Pump.

I am assuming that I only need One of my 200 Watt Heaters if its going to be in the Sump? I have 2 Marineland Stealth 200 Watt Heaters as stated earlier.

I do plan on setting up a Fish AND Coral Display. I am still deciding on coral but I'm assuming that the lighting will narrow down my choices for coral, Or does it go the other way around? Now that I'm on the topic of lighting, Are there any recommendations? I dont have hoods or covers for my tank but I'm thinking about making some on my own out of plexi-glass, Is that fine?

What is the most Aesthetically pleasing sump? Or which one is most recommended?
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:12 AM   #6
 
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I've decided to drill the tank, and use my spare 29 gallon tank as the sump. I'd like to have a propagation chamber and refugium. Do I actually need a refugium if I'm going to have a 10g Q tank.
The refugium and quarantine tank are not in any way related. The quarantine tank is an isolation tank for newly acquired fish. A refugium is a place in the sump which encourages the growth of microfauna.

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I am assuming that I only need One of my 200 Watt Heaters if its going to be in the Sump? I have 2 Marineland Stealth 200 Watt Heaters as stated earlier.
You will be heating the entire water volume, so use both heaters. Plus, using both heaters provides you insurance if one were to stop working.

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What is the most Aesthetically pleasing sump? Or which one is most recommended?
Most sumps are home made. I'm not real sure what you were asking here.
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:44 AM   #7
 
there are 3 different sump setups, am I correct? I read the article on sumps, and as far as drilling the tank it said you can drill from the back, bottom or not at all?
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:11 AM   #8
 
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the main difference between sump "types" is what function they serve and how you arrainge the space in side,, this can vary greatly from person to person..
for example i will out line my own sump and it works for me but may not suit any one else... i use a 20 gallon long tank. when looking at the tank the 1st chamber is set on the right and has my flow from the tank into the sump alsoin this chamber is my skimmer.. water travels over a high baffle into the next chamber my refugium in here i have my heater, cheato (macro algae), and now a 4inch deep bed of crushed coral, the water then moves over a bubble trap (set of baffles with one low-one high-one low) to my return chamber, here is my return pump and a split off back to chamber 1 so i can adjust flow and get some of my water skimmed again (personal preference)
as i used an old tank i had laying around its not esthetically pleasing but it serves its function very well...

as for drilling for the plumbing i will let those with more experience comment on that as i do not have my tank drilled and i don't mind it at all....

for a better look at my sump go to my build thread in my sig and see what i mean
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:38 AM   #9
 
ok I get it now. So in the sump, the baffles dont completely cutoff the water from each section, they simple separate chambers while still allowing water to flow freely from the side that houses the skimmer to the side which returns the water back to the display. The bubble trap is still a little confusing but I get the overall idea. Do all chambers have to be equal in size? I'm using a 29 gallon tank as my sump
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:40 AM   #10
 
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not at all in fact they should be sized to fit what you need i did not need as much space for my skimmer as i wanted for the fuge so i adjusted accordingly
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