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post #11 of 22 Old 01-04-2011, 09:03 PM
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Nick is going to hate me for saying this... but I think this is a great idea. Even better, spend an extra $10 on another 10 gallon tank and have both a Q tank and a sump!

If you buy a hang on skimmer, make sure it have an overflow! Most of them do not.
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hey I agree with the spend the extra $10 for the sump! LOL. i won't hate you! it's just an opinion and as you know there's many ways to skin a cat. I went thru alot of mistakes because i've been keeping SW tanks for like 17 years. Over that time i've probably kept over 8 tanks from FOWLR to full blown sps reef which is where i'm at now. In that time i did the "go the cheaper route", "skimp on equipment route"', "do i really need a RO route", etc. Now i've come to realize, in my humble opinion that it's best to avoid water quality problems than to react. remember i'm kinda anal about water quality because i'm keeping sps corals. SPS, then LPS, Softies, FOWLR is the order of sequence for difficulty in keeping and water quality requirements, where sps requires best water quality and FOWLR you can get away with lesser water quality. To me the best way is to avoid water quality issues before it takes hold because changes for the better in a tank is a looong, expensive, labor intense, test your will, and do i really wanna do this hobby process. hobbiest will skimp on skimmers, ro units, and then buy expensive fish and corals then fight to keep water quailty to avoid algae and such. then over the long run, they'll spend more $ for phosphate removers, water changes, tap water conditioners, salt and tons of labor in servicing their tanks because of algae after the fact. To me it's best to avoid all this if at all possible.


If you take one opinion out of all this "go with a good oversize skimmer". Personally i did and would never go with another HOB skimmer if i can help it. They tend to inject bubbles into the display tank, you can't control the skimmer level because the tak evaporates and the water pressure changes with water level so you end up constantly adjusting the skimmer. They are not real good at taking gunk/funk out of the tank. To me a skimmer is the backbone to keeping a reef as far as filtering the water. In the time i've been keeping SW tanks i've upgraded at least 5 times or more. The skimmer i have now will allow mistakes. if i mistakenly overfeed the skimmer pulls it out before it can pollute the water. As a matter a fact when i feed the fish and corals better eat fast otherwise it will all end up in the skimmer LOL. if you get a good skimmer it will compensate some amount of mistakes you make to your tank. just my opinion.

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post #12 of 22 Old 01-04-2011, 09:16 PM
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Okay, I will try to buy a RO unit.


As for skimmers I was looking at the Oceanic biocube skimmer which I'm sure everyone is going to advise me against :P and also the red sea prizm hang on skimmer.

Then all I have left is the RO unit. Which I'm trying to find a good deal on.
put in an extra $20 and get the ASM MINI-G Protein Skimmer. if you get a ro try getting the di also as this helps poslih the water to zero TDS..

100 Gal SPS Rimless, 2X250 Watt + 4T5's Giesemann infinity, Bubble King Mini 200 skimmer, Ca reactor, DIY Kalk Reactor. See my Reef aquarium in HD video http://www.fishtanks.net/fishtank.php?fishtank=2207.
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post #13 of 22 Old 01-04-2011, 10:07 PM Thread Starter
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Would you recommend the ASM MINI-G Protein Skimmer or the AquaC Nano Remora?
I am going to get an RO unit.
I am going to get CaribSea base rock and sand, which I will seed with live rock.

Aquariums
29 gallon-
- 2.3.0 Kribensis
- 1.0.0 CAE
- 1.2.0 Swordtails
- 1.1.0 Dwarf Gourami
- 2.6.0 Black Phantom Tetra

10 gallon-
- 1.0.0 Beta
- 1.1.4 Peppered Cories
- 6.12.10 Guppies
- 1.3.0 Amano Shrimp
- 2.0.0 Zebra Snails
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post #14 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 05:10 AM
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Would you recommend the ASM MINI-G Protein Skimmer or the AquaC Nano Remora?
I am going to get an RO unit.
I am going to get CaribSea base rock and sand, which I will seed with live rock.

personally, i'd go ASM MINI-G Protein Skimmer for many reasons, it's a in sump skimmer, so you should have surface skimming, see article http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/w...r-tanks-55195/, where if you have baffels in the sump the water height will stay constant and makes the skimmer a set and forget equipment, where from my experiences, because the aquac is a HOB and you will end up constantly adjusting or topping of the aquarium level to keep it skimming properly, and because it's a HOB you won't have surface skimming. The asm is rated for 75 gallons (big and over sized and in my opinion this is where bigger is better) the chamber is 4.5 wide by 20 high so you'll have long contact time, and the acuac is rated for 50 gallons max. chamber is 2.5 and is only 15 inches high whicih is less contact time. The asm is a pin wheel where the aquac i believe is a powerhead see http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/w...w-about-55808/

ASM G = Mercedes, Lexus
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AquaC = Ford Pinto, AMC Pacer

Just my opinion

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post #15 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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Okay and what about the coralife super skimmer?

Aquariums
29 gallon-
- 2.3.0 Kribensis
- 1.0.0 CAE
- 1.2.0 Swordtails
- 1.1.0 Dwarf Gourami
- 2.6.0 Black Phantom Tetra

10 gallon-
- 1.0.0 Beta
- 1.1.4 Peppered Cories
- 6.12.10 Guppies
- 1.3.0 Amano Shrimp
- 2.0.0 Zebra Snails
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post #16 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 12:31 PM
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Okay and what about the coralife super skimmer?

my opinion? asm all the way!
the problem is protein skimmers are not regulated in their claim to handle tank size. i know the asm is a good skimmer. it's not the best but it's a pretty good entry level skimmer. you won't have to upgrade for any type of reef in your size tank because it's effective enough to handle that size.

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post #17 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
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looks like we have a winner :)
ASM!!!!!
So I am going to go with the ASM, which means I have to have a sump. Which means I also need a return pump and overflow. Is it possible to have a refugium in the sump without dividing the different sections. Providing the microflora and microfauna dont get sucked into the skimmer. I wanted to include macroalgae such as caulerpa or will they spread into my main tank?

I was also revising my stocking list and I came up with:
- 2 ocellaris clownfish
- 2 bangai cardinal
- 2 firefish
- 1 coral beauty angelfish
- 3/4 blue green chromis
- 1 yellow watchman goby
- 2 neon gobies
- 1 royal gramma
- red leg hermit crabs
- astrea snails
- starfish???
- 2 skunk shrimp
- coral banded shrimp

CALM DOWN
I am not planning on shoving all of those fish into a 29 gallon tank. That is just a list of fish/inverts that I live :P My stocking list would be a mix and match of several of those fish. Clownfish are a must. Hermit crabs are a must. Skunk shrimps are a must (after the tank is established). Bangaii cardinal arent a complete must, but i really like them :). Royal gramma are nice, but I know they require lots of microorganisms to feed on... or is that the mandarin?

Aquariums
29 gallon-
- 2.3.0 Kribensis
- 1.0.0 CAE
- 1.2.0 Swordtails
- 1.1.0 Dwarf Gourami
- 2.6.0 Black Phantom Tetra

10 gallon-
- 1.0.0 Beta
- 1.1.4 Peppered Cories
- 6.12.10 Guppies
- 1.3.0 Amano Shrimp
- 2.0.0 Zebra Snails
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post #18 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 06:23 PM
i think you'll need the dividers for a refuge otherwise the return current from the protein skimmer will constantly stir up the media causing a silt storm. you also have to consider if you really want to add light down by the sump. the reason is the skimmer will eventually grow coralline or algae all over it assuming you water parameters are in check.

100 Gal SPS Rimless, 2X250 Watt + 4T5's Giesemann infinity, Bubble King Mini 200 skimmer, Ca reactor, DIY Kalk Reactor. See my Reef aquarium in HD video http://www.fishtanks.net/fishtank.php?fishtank=2207.
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post #19 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 06:25 PM
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post some pics...

75 GL MIXED REEF
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post #20 of 22 Old 01-05-2011, 08:06 PM
The mandarin is the one that eats micro -stuff royal grammas are noraml eating foods you put in. You need to be quarintined and add the royal gramma near the end of the list. The blue green chromis will kill each other over time with the banggais make sure you get tank raised and it's a male/female pair( R.I.P. 2 cardnials(one wouldent eat))
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