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Old 06-11-2010, 04:16 PM   #1
 
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Will this work?

Or should I get different plants? I have a 10 gallon that has Eco Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate that is made by Caribsea, a 20 watt 8 inch Coralife 50/50 mini compact florescent bulb its says 50% 10,000 daylight 50% true actinic. The plants are one Amazon Sword, and 2 Ozelot Swords. I will get picture in picture section tonigh I really like the way it looks and I know the Ozelots may get to big and need to be moved but what I am worried about is if this is enough light for them to grow. The light is built into the hood so I can only use the screw in kind and this is what they recommended at the LFS. It is home to my newest additions that I am really excited about which are a pair of Bolivian Ram Cichlids. I have been looking for a pair for a long time and finally found some at a LFS.
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Old 06-11-2010, 06:19 PM   #2
 
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You need to remember my rule #1 of fishkeeping- NEVER trust a worker at an LFS. Half the time they just want to make a sale, and the other half they're just not properly informed.

a 50/50 actinic/10000k bulb is the perfect lighting solution for a marine tank full of corals.

It's also great at growing algae. IT's absolutely USELESS for live plants.

I would go and demand your money back, and only buy fish there from now on (unless you know exactly what you're buying.)

You need to go to a home improvement store (like lowes, homedepot, etc) or a large all-purpose store like walmart or maybe K-mart, and buy a 6500k bulb- with CFLs it's called 'cool white' and with flourescent tubes it's called 'daylight', but the most important thing is to get 6500k-6700k.

Many people here will say that 20W for a 10 gallon is too much without CO2 and heavy ferts, or you'll have uncontrollable algae, etc.

I have 20W of CFL cool white 6500k over my 10gallon livebearer tank, and everything is perfect. No algae, good growth, happy fishes.

Just get the color spectrum right and you'll be set. :) Might also want to get some liquid ferts, but if all you want in the tank is rooted plants (swords, sags, most foreground plants) then the substrate might be plenty- Just a fair warning, the substrate will eventually run out of nutrients and you'll have to get a loquid fert. Luckily you have several years before you have to worry about that.

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Old 06-11-2010, 06:47 PM   #3
 
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I dose all my tanks with plants once a week with Seachem Flourish, in 4 of my other tanks I have plants but with regular gravel and in those I use the Seachem root tabs as well. But they also have lights for plants that were recommended by Byron on here and they are all doing well. I was just not sure about this one because of the different type of light I have to use. Two of the LFS that I have here in Asheville are normally very good thats why I trusted him on this light it was $17.00. Thank you for your advise it would probably be much cheaper to do what you say.

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Old 06-11-2010, 07:16 PM   #4
 
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I would agree that the light is less than good. One has to be very careful with high blue; algae can absolutely take off under it, and while plants need blue they also need red and in balance. And Ozelot swords have reddish colour to the leaves, this means they need that red more than blue. Full spectrum and cool white (which is toward blue but not anywhere as far as actinic) combined work well. Assuming you can unscrew the bulbs, I would get a natural daylight and a cool blue from the hardware store (assume you like the "cool" white look); the one daylight bulb you have might pass, but the 10,000K means high in blue so I would replace both. A pair of both daylight bulbs would work fine too, with your plants, and this should only be a few dollars for a pack of two.

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Old 06-11-2010, 07:22 PM   #5
 
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Ive got the same bulb over my tank and my plants seem to be growing really well. Its the only light I could get for my light housing, cause of my plug(small 4 prong).
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:15 PM   #6
 
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Thanks everyone. Bryon it is a single bulb not two individual ones. I will go to Lowes tomorrow and see what I can find. My problem is that it is a screw in bulb like a regular light bulb not like a floresent bulb. Will the Bolivian Rams be ok in the 10 gallon or will they out grow it? There is also an Oto in there and I would like 2 add one or 2 more Otos when I can find them.

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Old 06-11-2010, 08:44 PM   #7
 
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Thanks everyone. Bryon it is a single bulb not two individual ones. I will go to Lowes tomorrow and see what I can find. My problem is that it is a screw in bulb like a regular light bulb not like a floresent bulb. Will the Bolivian Rams be ok in the 10 gallon or will they out grow it? There is also an Oto in there and I would like 2 add one or 2 more Otos when I can find them.

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Amanda, yes, I was talking screw-in bulbs, they are compact fluorescents, and good plant lights though I've yet to track down a fixture for my 20g to try them, but others say they work fine. A daylight (full spectrum) around 6500K will be perfect. Lowe's and such places will have them for a couple dollars. Just check the kelvin.

Bolivian Rams will not work in a 10g. I have one in my 115g, and I cannot picture him on his own (or with other small fish I mean) in my 10g. I would not suggest dwarf cichlids in anything under 24 inches 9a 15g or 20g long).

Otos should be in at least a trio, though I had two together for some time (third died).

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Old 06-11-2010, 08:54 PM   #8
 
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Thanks Byron,

Oh ok I undestand. I will go see what I can find at Lowes when I get off work tomorrow. They are small right now only about an inch long when they get bigger I will move them into either the 44 gallon or one of the 20 gallons. From what I have read they are ok to put with other fish there size that are not aggresive. Is that correct? Thanks for all your help. I have been waiting for the LFS to get some more Otos in but they seem to be haveing a hard time getting them in.

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Old 06-12-2010, 11:29 AM   #9
 
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Thanks Byron,

Oh ok I undestand. I will go see what I can find at Lowes when I get off work tomorrow. They are small right now only about an inch long when they get bigger I will move them into either the 44 gallon or one of the 20 gallons. From what I have read they are ok to put with other fish there size that are not aggresive. Is that correct? Thanks for all your help. I have been waiting for the LFS to get some more Otos in but they seem to be haveing a hard time getting them in.

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I've never seen a Bolivian Ram that small; must have a local breeder supplying the store. They should go in the larger tank from the start. Fish grow all their lives, and having sufficient space from the first is important for proper development of internal organs. "Stunting" can occur when the space is too small. It involves water quality as well as physical space.

They are fine with non-aggressive fish, see the info on our profile (click the shaded name to go there).

Personally I would not have otos in a 10g; 3 of them is taking up a fair bit of room (water quality wise) in a small tank that doesn't have much room for fish anyway. And algae should not be an issue. Unless of course you really like them as fish, then fine. Just my thoughts.
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:32 PM   #10
 
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Ok I wil go ahead and move them into a bigger tank. Would they be ok in a 20 gallon with 4 female bettas and I will move the Oto as well and get him 2 more friends hopefully they will have some at the LFS this week when I am off work on Thursday.
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