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When is it too much plant?
Old 01-21-2010, 12:04 PM   #21
 
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@ Holly I often seen Dwarf baby tears "buried" in the gravel, they seem to do much better then carefully attached to window screen and they either attach it to a piece DW or rock to keep down. Also they don't like to be "under" uder plant, rather put them in open spaces.

@Byron, yes it is, photos are not all too up to date but you can see the development from first set up to a few weeks ago.
Yea the Driftwood and the "jungle" of Ludwigia really caught my eyes earlier too, I also think both these need help... I also considered laying the DW down from the rear right corner angling out like a super large cave for the cory, kinda looking like a tree that felt into the water....What do you think about that?
The Tiger's are actually LOVING the Ludwigia Jungle going in & out and hiding and playing; quite fun to watch them play with it; but still this plant from 1 single bunch to covering well over 1 sq ft now (actually more like 2 sq ft) is just TOO much visually - Do you know what I mean?

Quite funny as I type all but 2 Tigers are in the "Jungle" looks like they're hosting a neighborhood watch meeting in there or something lol...Gosh am I glad I have soft water here now and able to experience all these "new" fish in my house
With a chunk of wood that size (and I love it) I would go with my earlier suggestion and see what you think (leave it for a few days). Won't hurt, the plants can stand moving, and the fish will enjoy the activity no doubt; mine always have great fun inspecting any changes I've made as soon as my hand leaves the area. The corner idea is also good, with a smaller piece though. The trouble with wood in the corner is that it immediately defines the edge of the tank, and makes the tank size more obvious visually, which is why I tend to avoid direct contact with the end glass. B.
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Old 01-21-2010, 12:58 PM   #22
 
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Yea you ain't kidding that chunk is large (22" tall by 10" wide) it actually sticks above the surface its so big....but I felt in love with it a long time ago and when I was forced to leave my tanks behind, I at least wanted to keep all my DWs.

I have another piece of small DW on its left side, laying down and added more gravel behind it to make sorta like a raised 'flowerbed' and I REALLY like that (you can see it in one of the 55g pictures there too).

I'll fiddle around a lil with the next w/c and see how I like that set up (upright but off from the side of the tank).

On a totally other note, what really bugs me, I have had a bacteria bloom there forever now. After all the headaches it just wouldn't clear up, thou all readings came back perfect, then I added the 2 Kissing Gourami and BAM almost over night it went crystal clear. And then over night again a few days after that milky looking again and no matter the amount of w/c it stayed that way since and its really starting to bug me; the fish nor plants seem to care or in no way bothered by it; but it bothers me for its looks and I just never had what seems a never ending bacteria bloom - Any ideas others then maintained filter and large w/c? Right now I do ~50% every 4 days.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:38 PM   #23
 
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Yea you ain't kidding that chunk is large (22" tall by 10" wide) it actually sticks above the surface its so big....but I felt in love with it a long time ago and when I was forced to leave my tanks behind, I at least wanted to keep all my DWs.

I have another piece of small DW on its left side, laying down and added more gravel behind it to make sorta like a raised 'flowerbed' and I REALLY like that (you can see it in one of the 55g pictures there too).

I'll fiddle around a lil with the next w/c and see how I like that set up (upright but off from the side of the tank).

On a totally other note, what really bugs me, I have had a bacteria bloom there forever now. After all the headaches it just wouldn't clear up, thou all readings came back perfect, then I added the 2 Kissing Gourami and BAM almost over night it went crystal clear. And then over night again a few days after that milky looking again and no matter the amount of w/c it stayed that way since and its really starting to bug me; the fish nor plants seem to care or in no way bothered by it; but it bothers me for its looks and I just never had what seems a never ending bacteria bloom - Any ideas others then maintained filter and large w/c? Right now I do ~50% every 4 days.
This is a new tank, relatively, it needs time to settle. I never have "clear" tanks for 2 months, not to say that they are very cloudy for 2 months, but it takes 2 months for them to become what I consider crystal clear. I never fuss with it. I would never do pwc more than once a week after the first 3 weeks, but I would do 50% each time and continue. And I never touch the filter for 3-4 months. My 115g was set up in mid-July, with a new filter (the Rena XP3), and it was mid-December when I first rinsed it out. Then I had non-clear water for 2-3 weeks, not bad but not cyrstal clear. Now it is. I let things go, nature will handle it. B.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:17 PM   #24
 
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Yea its the one where just about anything went "wrong" with ick and hardcore 5 diff algae outbreaks , not cycling forever THAT tank LOL...
Well I had to open the filter 1x for the carbon adding & removing after the meds; that was the same timing I also battled all this algae so I cleaned out the pipes cause they were pretty full with these dead "dust bunnies" from the algae.
I KNOW I just need patience and I'd tell anyone else the exact same thing you just told me lol....its just hard on the eye when the other 3 set ups that followed THAT 55g are clear and this one still ain't .
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:19 PM   #25
 
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Here's a up to date full frontal shot....see what I mean with it being milky?
You also see what I meant in my prior posts with the Ludwigia "jungle" there...
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:22 PM   #26
 
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Here a comparison shot dated Nov 12th; so 2 months ago.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:20 PM   #27
 
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That does look bad; I've never had anything like that. My "cloudiness" has always been of a white variety, which I believe is simply sediment in the water settling out. I have it slightly after every pwc, but it clears overnight. Never had it green like this. The photo makes it appear that there is a cyanobacteria film on the glass; I know it isn't, but that's how it appears.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:06 PM   #28
 
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It really is not green, but then again my camera & I hadn't been on the same optic page lately anyway. It really looks just like when someone had pored milk into jug of water. I seen this "white cloud" before with bacteria blooms in new set ups the first 1-2 weeks.....But going on 3 months; of which it developed the cloudiness after the 2nd month? I donno......
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:58 PM   #29
 
I would do some big water changes to help with clearing it up. As far as gravel vacing, its not really necessary, Most of my tanks are very densely planted. I have not seen the gravel in my 20gal for a long time. It has not been gravel vacuumed for over 8 months at least. In about half of the tank, not even the fish can reach the gravel.

You still have lots of plant room
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:22 PM   #30
 
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You think 50% every 4 days ain't enough? *Sight* more w/c...urg....lol
Yea that's what I do in the shrimp & cray set ups, just w/c no gravel or sand vac; makes for a nice mulm built up over time which apparently is a snack bar to them guys

I already took some plants out of this 55 on the left & center front parts before I took this picture...I just think I need to work something with the Ludwigia there they grow wayyy too much, too quick too everything lol
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