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When is it too much plant?
Old 01-20-2010, 08:41 PM   #11
 
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No, the photos are under the "Aquariums" tab just under my name on the left here. The avatar is a Spotted Woodcat, Tatia perugiae, a SA catfish of which I have three; the avatar pic isn't one of mine, but there is a photo of two of mine peeking out from the standing wood under the 115g photo set. B.
P.S. I love that kind of catfish. Not sure if I have ever seen them before.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:45 PM   #12
 
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@Holly If you look at my "New 55g" the very last picture of the piece DW going across underneath the red plants, that is dwarf bat tears (kinda look like Stars IMO).

Well see on the 45g Tetra tank I have no problem how to design it/ arrange plants. I guess it all boils down to me not knowing really where to I wanna go with the 55g and its plants....Any suggestions for me when you look at my pictures Byron? (The stock of 2 Kissing Gourami 9 Albion Tiger Barbs and 6 Bronze Cory will remain not change).
Natalie, is this the "new 55g" in the photos that we are talking about? I think it looks very nice, but I do have a suggestion. I would move that large chunk of wood in a bit, maybe half way between the centre and the right side. This will make the tank look larger; as it is, it basically cuts the tank off at the left edge of the wood, visually. Also, this will create some interest for the fish with swimming room around the wood. Once you do this, if you do, I would move the closest of the two swords over on the opposite side of the wood, between the wood and the tank end, and maybe just a tad closer to the front than it now is, so it has room to spread back as well as front to avoid the plant growing on a lean to the front. [The left one of my two bleheri in the 115g is doing this because it is too close to the back and there is nothing to stop it in front; I'm thinking of fixes when I sit in front of this tank now.] Your two swords, just like mine, are almost too close to "centre" and it jumps out at me; moving one around the wood and moving the wood will remove that contrived look.

Leave the open area for your corys, it looks fine from that aspect. Tigers like swimming room, so make sure the tall stem plants stay at the back and sides leaving open swimming room above the shorter plants. When the tiger lotus grows leaves to the surface, it will be quite nice, the fish can swim among the leaf stems. I like that effect.

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Old 01-20-2010, 09:24 PM   #13
 
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@ Holly I often seen Dwarf baby tears "buried" in the gravel, they seem to do much better then carefully attached to window screen and they either attach it to a piece DW or rock to keep down. Also they don't like to be "under" uder plant, rather put them in open spaces.

@Byron, yes it is, photos are not all too up to date but you can see the development from first set up to a few weeks ago.
Yea the Driftwood and the "jungle" of Ludwigia really caught my eyes earlier too, I also think both these need help... I also considered laying the DW down from the rear right corner angling out like a super large cave for the cory, kinda looking like a tree that felt into the water....What do you think about that?
The Tiger's are actually LOVING the Ludwigia Jungle going in & out and hiding and playing; quite fun to watch them play with it; but still this plant from 1 single bunch to covering well over 1 sq ft now (actually more like 2 sq ft) is just TOO much visually - Do you know what I mean?

Quite funny as I type all but 2 Tigers are in the "Jungle" looks like they're hosting a neighborhood watch meeting in there or something lol...Gosh am I glad I have soft water here now and able to experience all these "new" fish in my house
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:46 PM   #14
 
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I'm not sure, I still have a lot of open gravel. What I really want is a baby tear bed carpet, so I guess I would say never is too much :)
I don't know what I would do about vacuuming in that situation though!
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:59 PM   #15
 
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I'm not sure, I still have a lot of open gravel. What I really want is a baby tear bed carpet, so I guess I would say never is too much :)
I don't know what I would do about vacuuming in that situation though!
Hi, Are you talking about like what is in Byron's avatar? Is that a Drawf Baby Tear. Whatever it is, I love it. I like that look of what you call "bed carpet". However, was wondering if it would hender gravel cleaning and would aggravate me down the road.
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:25 PM   #16
 
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there is a photo of two of mine peeking out from the standing wood under the 115g photo set. B.
super cute photo (reminds me of my yo-yo loaches how they tuck themselves into driftwood and go to sleep, upside down, or how they tuck into the java fern and just lay there like they're dead until morning)... and um, can we get some close ups of the other tanks?
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:30 PM   #17
 
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I'm not sure, I still have a lot of open gravel. What I really want is a baby tear bed carpet, so I guess I would say never is too much :)
I don't know what I would do about vacuuming in that situation though!
I find it real easy to grow once I figured HOW to actually plant it
Yea like I said there's really no more vacuuming going on in my tanks...sooo....what to do!????

@Holly in B. avatar next to the fish is some penny wort and below that looks like some type mini sword plants; but its not baby tears.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:42 AM   #18
 
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I find it real easy to grow once I figured HOW to actually plant it
Yea like I said there's really no more vacuuming going on in my tanks...sooo....what to do!????

@Holly in B. avatar next to the fish is some penny wort and below that looks like some type mini sword plants; but its not baby tears.
I'm attaching the original photo used for my avatar, it is a bit larger so the plants are more easily seen; the tall one isn't pennywort as you can see in the enlargement. I have seen these plants before, but not having them myself I'd have to look them up for names and haven't time at this moment. Also thought I'd add the other photos of the woodcat that I have, seeing there is an interest in the fish; these are not my photos, just from my collection of photos.

It's not easy photgraphing woodcats, as the bottom photo suggests with its blurry plants; they swim very fast indeed, and as they only come out in total darkness (true nocturnal fish) or at feeding time once trained, not easy to capture on film. B.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:48 AM   #19
 
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super cute photo (reminds me of my yo-yo loaches how they tuck themselves into driftwood and go to sleep, upside down, or how they tuck into the java fern and just lay there like they're dead until morning)... and um, can we get some close ups of the other tanks?
I have a very inexpensive camera, and it is not suited for photos of moving objects, plus it is not reliable on colour and clarity at times, esp when zooming in; the "close-up" photos I have added are the best of several I took. When I can afford a new camera, I'll go for a more suitable one. My neighbour's nephew is quite a photographer, and he has agreed to come round and take a set of photos but I've been hoping to wait until the 70g is finished to include all three tanks. That project is delayed because I can't find any red tiger lotus for months now. B.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:58 AM   #20
 
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I'm not sure, I still have a lot of open gravel. What I really want is a baby tear bed carpet, so I guess I would say never is too much :)
I don't know what I would do about vacuuming in that situation though!
There are areas in planted tanks that are never vacuumed. Some authorities advocate no substrate cleaning whatsoever in planted tanks, and few if any pwc. The latter of course depends entirely on fish load, and most of us have more fish than a no pwc regime can support. But I only use the Python on the substrate I can see, and that is primarily to keep it clean because the Corydoras and Farlowella feed from tablets on the open substrate and I want it kept clean to avoid barbel issues. My present 90g tank has a couple minutes of vacuuming at the front, that's it.

The detritus is broken down by bacteria and provides nutrients for the plants. There is a complex process going on in the substrate of an established planted aquarium; Peter Hiscock in his Encyclopedia of Aquarium Plants has a good description of it, some day I may paraphrase it. But the point is that it is nature working in the aquarium to maintain a healthy environment, and it is preferable in my view that we let nature do the work and not interfere. This is the basis behind my low-tech natural approach, providing only the absolute minimum (light, fertilizer as needed) and the aquarium runs itself. Once you start using enriched substrates, CO2 and mega light you are upsetting that natural balance, and then you establish a different balance, but one that requires much more involvement from the aquarist. I like to stay out of my tanks, not in them. You can have good results from either approach, or any in between to a certain extent, but the more you interfere the more opportunity exists for problems because you are increasing specific aspects of several factors and should one go wrong it can affect the whole system.

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