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Old 07-21-2010, 09:12 PM   #11
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Byron here is a picture of it. Not a good one but you can probably tell if it looks the same as the large ones.

I have 2 of them. One is black with yellow stripes and this one is more yellow from sight. It is easy to tell them apart at least. See, that is what the tag said at my petsmart, 6 inches max. I am really sad how often fish are sold into inappropriate homes. Not only are the people upset (like myself) but the fish suffer greatly. I wonder if I am able to take it back to a LFS if it will even have a chance of finding a home in a much bigger tank. I suspect they are lucky to be in a 60 gallon rather then a 20. There was a guy there stocking his 20 gallon when I was there. He already had chosen too many fish to add total and he already had some at home. Poor fish! :(

Thanks again for all your help with the plants Byron. I put a clamp light on the outside of the tank shining in on my camboba because it seems to need more light. It is in an area that might not be bright enough. I just want to see if adding a little more light will help to bounce it back.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:48 PM   #12
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That is Leporinus fasciatus; it attains 9-12 inches. It has 10 vertical bands, and the caudal fin is pointed (the two lobes) although I can't see this clearly in the photo but you should on the fish itself. A very similar species, L. affinis, has more rounded caudal lobes and only 9 vertical bands. These are the two most frequently seen species. There are other species [see below], but none significantly smaller that I know of.

There were 83 species in the genus, a very large one, all similar fishes mainly banded, some a blotched pattern. Last year I think some species were moved to another genus, but the present Leporinus is still deemed to be paraphyletic, meaning the taxon (in this case the genus Leporinus) contains the last common ancestor of the included species but does not contain all the descendants of that ancestor.

This genus is in the Anostomidae family, commonly referred to as the Headstanders because several genera contain the fish that swim vertically. The only species of headstander not in this family that I know of is Chilodus punctatus, of which I have one in my 115g. They are much smaller, as noted in our profile. Also a vegetarian, but fortunately does not eat plants, just algae.

Some "trivia" for you tonight, as I feel in the mood.
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Old 07-22-2010, 05:57 AM   #13
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Well, You are confirming what I already knew in my heart and feared to be true. This is why I was so angry at the pet-store. I get trying to make a sale. I get not knowing each detail of every fish in their stores. What I don't get is when someone comes in with such specific wants. 1. Must be social, I don't want a fish that will be trying to kill other fish in my tank. 2. I will be having a planted tank, can't uproot plants 3. I have a 60 gallon tank, I do NOT want a fish that will outgrow that tank. What did they sell me? 8 Tiger Barbs (supposedly in a group they will not be an issue with other fish) 4 Gouram1 (2 have already been murdered) 2 Leporinus Fasciatus (will probably kill my plants followed by my other fish and finally themselves because of size) 1 Rainbow shark said to be a black, red tail shark, (good one petsmart labeling) this fish was also said to be a good community fish as long as it wasn't with another of it's own species in a tank less then 100 gallon.

I don't know why people get frustrated and sick of the whole fish thing, do you?

On the upside, I added the clamp light to the outside of my tank. It was a bird light (uv rays) I put it on my camboba for around 3 hours yesterday. It looks MUCH better. quite green and the top appears to be have new growth. Yesterday morning, it was brown looking like a pine tree that was dying. Also in that area, I have one tiny little green blade coming up through the substrate from my seemingly dead root system of narrow leaf. It had been all but gone, I could still see a bit of the roots in the substrate and I just thought it would rot away. Apparently, it is still fighting for the right to exist.

I have to be happy about these things, tomorrow, my banded plant eater will probably snack it back down to the roots. (rolls eyes)

If it were you and you couldn't find a home for these fish, what would you do? Just wait until Armageddon, and clean up the mess?
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:05 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Inga View Post
If it were you and you couldn't find a home for these fish, what would you do? Just wait until Armageddon, and clean up the mess?
Thats a tough call, I would try to avoid 'armageddon' though....any way you can get your hands on a huge tank?? possible sell them via craigslist or aqua bid?
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:03 PM   #15
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Don't know where you are, but there is probably an aquarists group somewhere in the area, perhaps in the nearest larger city; many have websites. Someone may be looking for this or that.

Not sure I'm understanidng correctly, but if your shark really is a rainbow, he will work out. They are less troublesome. Will be fine alone in a 4-foot (which your tank is) and even compatible with some loaches; see the profile. Rainbow Shark

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Old 07-22-2010, 03:52 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD44 View Post
Thats a tough call, I would try to avoid 'armageddon' though....any way you can get your hands on a huge tank?? possible sell them via craigslist or aqua bid?

I know you are going to think I am a big baby for saying this but it is just the way I am. Once I have something (alive) I bond with it. I mean, I would more then happily give these fish up if I could find a home that would be good for them. It is just that I see so many situations where people think they are doing right by re-homing an animal and then it dies, or worse, the home just passes it one or whatever.

I feel responsible for these little fish and even though they are probably going to eat every one of my plants, I want to take my time and do the best I can do for them. I couldn't just send them down the road to someone on craigslist or E-Bay. Plants, yes. Fish, no. I will be looking into clubs and going to talk to the LFS guy and hope even if he won't take them, he has a lead on a good home for them.

I took a picture of my shark so you can tell but for me, It looks like a Rainbow shark. It was that description on here that made me realize that. The tag at the store said "Black, red tail shark" and when I talked to the lady she told me that they are relatively social with other fish, just none of their own kind or NO other Sharks. She also called it a Black, Red tail shark.

Here it is. Not the best picture but he is very black in his body and all of his fins are red, including his tail. Not just his tail. So far, he is not a trouble maker either. Only Big Bertha the Gold Gourami has been an issue. Also, I sort of measured the Shark and he is a little over 5 inches already so I would think if he was going to be a problem, he would have shown signs??? Maybe that is hopeful thinking. I would like to think I got it right on at least one fish. lol

With only a few hours of the clip on UV light on my Camboba, it looks GREAT! I am so surprised that it made such a change in such a short time. Yesterday morning, it looked done for. I think I might try it on my Rotala for a little bit too.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:30 PM   #17
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Yes, that is a Rainbow shark.
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:38 PM   #18
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Byron you will be happy to know that I just got back from the store and just finished planting 3 new Camboba for my hungry little Leporinus. You said variety in diet is important. Don't worry, I know that is not what you meant but I figured while they are here, they might as well have as much plant life as they want. I am into happy fish.

Thanks Jeaninel, That is what I thought another case of mislabeling and mis information. On my trip to the fish store just now, I let them know how unhappy I was with their mislabeling and wrong information they give out. I told them that most often it was at the cost of the fish's life. Not everyone will go out of their way to humanely resolve an issue in their tank. The gal that was working said "oh, I should re-label that sign" and I said, "yeah, that is what your manager said last week when I brought it to her attention" but guess what... Not done yet. I am sure they will just keep selling these mammoth fish to people with small tanks.

Oh Byron on the Leporinus tag, it said maximum 6 inches and minimum tank size 10 gallons. If you think My poor guys would have it rough, how long do you think it would take them to outgrow a 10 gallon tank? Sheesh, poor things.
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Old 07-25-2010, 08:28 PM   #19
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One more plant question, How do I know when my tank is actually full and I shouldn't add any more plants. I mean, I know they will fill out but I keep thinking I should add more. I see other people have so many plants they are stuffed full. I like how that looks but with my eclectic mix of plants it is hard to tell if it is enough or not.

Also, How close can I safely plant to the filter and the heater? Here is a picture of what I have so far. I was thinking because it isn't likely to lose pieces like some of the other plants, I might add a little more of the Hygrophilia or something like it in the back corner. Do you think I have to many different kinds of plants? I also thought I might add a little more of the Lidwigia in the center by the wood. I think it is nice to have the different color in there. It still isn't looking real good yet though so I will wait to see if this one is going to bounce back at all first. If not, I hate to add another plant that might not do well in my tank.

Here is a really bad picture. For some reason, I can't get it without flash flare but you get the idea of how many plants I have in there at least. The Rotala isn't that yellow but it does look kind of rough. It is where the Gourami have been having their duels and the Tiger Barbs flit in and out to watch. They have been hanging in there napping too.

I am hoping the Cabomba will spread a bit yet and of course, get taller. It is really thick in there and a great place for the oto's to hide if they ever need to. Blue has been hiding out in there as of late. As you can see the Ludwigia is still bent over and the Pennywort ball is getting smaller and smaller.

To me it sort of appears random in the design but I wanted clear areas for the Tiger Barbs to monkey around but plenty of thick plants for hiding and such.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:53 PM   #20
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I still think that is going to settle out just fine. The large swords at the back will reach the surface and spread for more than a foot, the stem plants will all be at the surface...just give it time.

I kokingly say one can never have too many plants, but of course one can. But you can always cull them, use them in other tanks, spare tank for quarantine, whatever.

As long as the filter intake doesn't get clogged by plants around it, you're fine.
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