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Old 12-05-2009, 11:14 AM   #11
 
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ApriL!? Are you givin me new names

I like Amano style for a "show tank", but as you have seen from pictures, nothing I'm going for in my FISH tanks, cause IMO fish and their needs (or shrimp for that matter) should come first.
You know like large DW, leaf's that kinda set up is what I like for my fish.

Reason I asked about the Nutrafin is mainly because I had seen it in the store here before, while I hadn't seen Seachem's what you recommended...You know I have a lil hard time getting my hands on some prodcts here, so I'm trying to find alternatives that are good too. Hadn't seen plant sticks, but I wasn't really looking hard enough I guess, so I will keep my eyes open for those (I want some for the swords).

Well for the most part all new plants are thriving well, thou some are 'slower' then others and may possibly do better with a little addition of fert's.
The only reason I asked about tests: Judging from the plants in the tanks after few weeks now, obviously between water & fish I already have a certain level of nutrition for them in the tanks, if I was to give them full dose liquid fert's now I'd be worried to overdose.
I think I'll get sticks for the Swords and some liquid and dose a little and see how they react (start slow and work my way to 'ideal' know what I mean).
So how much sticks do you use? One per plant, or just push them down the substrate in-between plants? And then add new one's, once per year if I understand you correctly?

Well I donno about plants living in 'any' light, I'd not back that up, but I think I know what post you're referring to. I do believe however (just like about anything else in the tank world) there's more then one options that's properly working for plants. I know the new set up I chosen with the new bulbs for ALL tanks and ditching the old 'standard' one's works great for me.
Its like the old myth about the 2w/g matter - Thinking back I wanna say NON of any & all of my tanks EVER had that and surprisingly they had a excellent plant growth, why is that with the lower wattage...because I had the proper spectrum plants needed!

Absolutely Byron! And its not only the light that makes a difference in certain fish's behavior, but also the substrate that's why you see most my tanks set up with dark substrates (fine gravel or sand).
Yea that's the combo I have over the big tanks. Now on the 10g due tot he way the hood is built with these screw in's all I found that was better then these darn yellow lights that were in there at first are "Daylights" from Bright effects. Judging by eye sight looks a gazillion times better in there now and when I had to get in and cut the stem plants yesterday - The plants are liking it a lot more too (The java moss has TAKEN OFF since I exchanged the lights). And on top they're the energy bulbs so while giving off 40W they only use 7watts to do it, so that's a win win on all sides so far.

So far, I will leave the current set up with the add of fert's soon. If over time I notice the Red Tiger Lotus isn't doing as well as it should I'll exchange bulbs, but I think (from the past tanks) this will work just fine.

I have been making a list actually over several items that I want/ need from the store incl new plants for nano set up, I was planning on a cross-state LFS hunt this weekend, but being hammered with snow now, maybe I'll wait till next week. I just HOPE I'll be able to find fet's we've discussed here, I'd rather not get something unknown.

I meant to ask you...I don't recall the name/ brand but I often noticed people discuss usage of a product called "Excel" what are its pro's / con's? Should I consider getting this too or just start with the sticks & liquid and see where this takes me first?
Sorry, had a mental whatever momentarily, was thinking of April who runs a good lfs here, she delivered some fish out to me this week. Yes, she does deliver to some of us who are 50km out of Vancouver, and no extra cost.

The sticks I add one next to the larger swords; one between two in some cases with smaller species, or with crypts. I got my first ones this past March, so will be replacing this coming Feb probably; I suspect it will be difficult to assess whether or not they are still effective, the plants are unlikely to turn yellow with the weekly liquid fert, and I can't imagine them getting larger, they are already at the top of the water.

Yes, I have never had more than 1 watt per gallon, even less in the 115g and 90g (80 watts total over each) and no trouble growing plants with the right light.

Excel is a carbon supplement for tanks without added CO2 (gas). Here's a link to the FAQ page from Seachem's website discussing this product: Seachem. Flourish Excel FAQ
As stated by Seachem, Excelt is not exactly the same as CO2 but it does provide the same thing--carbon, so it is intended to be a substitute for CO2 diffusion. I have never used it and don't intend to start at this stage because I have enough fish to provide the necessary CO2, at least I must assume so since the plants are growing far in excess of what I would be happy with so I've no reason to attempt more growth. They will only grow themselves out faster. But for those with fewer fish, it may provide some benefit.

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Old 12-05-2009, 02:08 PM   #12
 
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If the new names comes with THIS job...I'll take it

Well the growth also depends on the exact species, I had one type of Sword, which I don't recall the exact name any more, but they grew to a little over 1 ft and stopped but THEN they grew superst nice & bushy and neat broad leaves, was very nice plants really.

I see what it is now, thanks for the Link!! Now I doubt I'll get this, don't see the necessity in adding it. Apart from its usage, I generally do not really fancy adding about 10 different bottles of all sorta things to my tank each week like some people do (ph up, gh down, water clearer yaddy ya...not my world )
Once I got the Nano planted & set up, I may use it for it if the plants seem to not do well w/out having fish in there but that's long Rd to go before that.

Its a shame really no one else joins the discussion....I had thought there was more plant freaks then just us 2 on here
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:27 PM   #13
 
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Its a shame really no one else joins the discussion....I had thought there was more plant freaks then just us 2 on here
I'm a plant freak too but y'all have already covered everything!
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:42 PM   #14
 
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Do you use the same fert's (liquid & sticks) like Byron or another product?

I'm worried I might not have a very good selection here (judging from the selection I had on everything else so far *urg*)
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Do you use the same fert's (liquid & sticks) like Byron or another product?
I use Flourish Comprehensive Supplement (as Byron does) and also Seachem's root tabs. I haven't been able to find the Hagen Grow Sticks anywhere in my area. It's too bad as I'd like to try them. I also dose with Flourish Excel in my display tank and have been toying with the idea of no longer using it. I stopped using the Excel in my smaller tanks quite awhile ago and those tanks are growing perfectly so I'm not sure if I really need to continue using it in my display tank.
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Old 12-05-2009, 05:58 PM   #16
 
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I use Flourish Comprehensive Supplement (as Byron does) and also Seachem's root tabs. I haven't been able to find the Hagen Grow Sticks anywhere in my area. It's too bad as I'd like to try them. I also dose with Flourish Excel in my display tank and have been toying with the idea of no longer using it. I stopped using the Excel in my smaller tanks quite awhile ago and those tanks are growing perfectly so I'm not sure if I really need to continue using it in my display tank.
Hi Kym,

I would stop and observe the plants' response for a couple weeks. Depends upon how many fish, but you may not need more carbon. But the plants might be a bit slower in growing. And you might have to cut back on Flourish to balance the less carbon. And possibly the light. All things to watch for, as if everything is fine now that means there is a good balance between light and nutrients (including carbon and nitrogen from the fish) so any tinkering to reduce one of those (like the carbon) may or may not have enough of an impact to show itself as changes in plant growth. And, it depends upon many specifics, fish load, feeding, water parameters, temperature... . If your fish stock in reasonable, I would stop the Excel and observe. May be able to save money. I've never used it, but I do have heavy fish stocks in my aquaria.

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