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Old 11-21-2013, 10:12 PM   #11
 
Alright - Hello!!! Anyone there!?


I learned that if you have low light, anywhere between 10-30 PAR you don't need Co2 at all, if your lighting is medium, between 30-80 PAR than Co2 is optional and if you have high lighting, 80-120 PAR Co2 is necessary.

Because my light singular only has about 26 PAR at 20" for the height of my aquarium, if I get another Current USA Satellite LED Plus, my PAR will be about 52.

I don't know if this is to interest you, but for future reference when dealing with Co2 - you won't need a Air Stone or Surface Skimmer because both of them will bring in Oxygen therefore drive off the Co2 the plants need. Also a Drop Checker is very important and make sure you observe the fish in case they're breathing hard and go towards the surface looking for oxygen.

I got little to no help about burying the plants, other than the three methods

1.) Tie to small rocks and bury by hand
2.) use reef putty to "glue" plant stems to anchor of choice, and bury by hand
3.) use a ball sponge, soak in mud, cut halfway, put plant in it, bury by hand

Although they did tell me to only bundle the plants into a couple stems and space them out so each stem has enough light and aren't competing.

Apparently, doing a fishless cycle is pointless and you should do a Silent cycle instead or clone.....I still haven't gotten around to see what those two are about.

Also Chesh, when you get around do dry fertilizers (like me) It'll be a pain in the *** because you have to test for the stuff in your water first and than with the ferts, you'll just add that to whatever is already in your water. Might have to fertilize everyday or once a week and there's no set dosing. So here's the rundown the guy said at the other thread:

Dosing: estimative index(EI)

Websites: Green Leaf Aquariums (and) aquariumfertilizer.com

3 Macro nutrients: nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium

Dosing types to the aquarium: Potassium nitrate - Mono Potassium Phosphate - Potassium Sulfate

micro/trace elements fertilizer: CSM+B

GH, KH, and nitrate when using Dry fertilizers
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From greenleafaquariums.com - you need or want to get a bag of each fertilizer so it'll last you about a year or so, or more.

I chose that site because it's the prettier out of the two, and I like whatever I'm doing or around to look pretty. Did I mention I like pretty stuff?

But yeah, that's all the stuff I accumulated over there, and puked it back over here

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Old 11-21-2013, 10:24 PM   #12
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I thought 60 PAR was highlight XD might be outdate info from way back when :P

I have highlight, but i don't do CO2. It's really a choice... not a necessity. it only becomes necessary when you are trying to grow very specific plants and even then CO2 can't grow everything >.<

I want some pictures of your tank! lol


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Old 11-22-2013, 10:50 AM   #13
 
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I thought 60 PAR was highlight XD might be outdate info from way back when :P

I have highlight, but i don't do CO2. It's really a choice... not a necessity. it only becomes necessary when you are trying to grow very specific plants and even then CO2 can't grow everything >.<

I want some pictures of your tank! lol
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's old, where did you read that from because I think PAR is actually a brand new way to look at lighting. So somebody might have just scaled it wrong. Also yeah, I think Co2 could be totally optional in all cases is just that there might be an algae bloom and from what I heard you do need Co2 because at the plants soak in my light they need more Co2 to photosynthesis.

I'll post pics some time, probably right after I get my Co2 hooked up (which all the pieces came in yesterday, really excited) and the extra light with more plants because I barely have any
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #14
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it was from this, evidently opinions... but I dunno who can legitimately classify these stuff.
(you'll have to google the quote the source since I'm not allowed to link there here ;) )


"LOW LIGHT, MEDIUM Light, HIGH LIGHT

I don't believe there is any consensus about the definition of low, medium and highlight. But, here is my definiition, subject to, and almost certain to change:
Low light - 15-30 micromols of PAR - CO2 is not needed, but is helpful to the plants
Medium light - 35-50 micromols of PAR - CO2 may be needed to avoid too many nuisance algae problems
High light - more than 50 micromols of PAR - pressurized CO2 is essential to avoid major algae problems"


Last time I measured my cfl light was sitting at about 60 PAR at substrate level. I haven't measured my LED yet, but plan to do so in a couple of weeks when I can borrow the PAR meter again ^__^

I love light and have been experimenting with very bright lighting in low tech tanks. for the most part algae isn't a problem once the tank is established with the right choice of plants. But I don't have any data to back anything up and it's more of a personal preference/thing =P and I honestly don't recommend my methods to anyone!

The only advice I got for you about CO2 set ups is to refill early to avoid end of tank dumps. Most of my friends run CO2 systems and a few have lost their stock to EOTD:(

CO2 isn't the complete solution to algae, good steady CO2 levels are :) definitely start with a good number of plants! healthy plants in general keep algae blooms away!

...and pics pics pics! *ish excited too*
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:46 PM   #15
 
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heehee, thanks for digging up the info, Squatch! Sorry to have been absent, been a busy week. . .
lol, I don't intend to get into high tech ever. . . but you never know!

Can't wait for pics!
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:07 PM   #16
 
@aokashi - LOW LIGHT, MEDIUM LIGHT, HIGH LIGHT

1.) http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...iousBulbs2.jpg

2.) http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...0&d=1274908825

3.) http://www.redcherryshrimp.net/wp-co...hrimp.net_.pdf

4.) http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...istance-T5.jpg

5.) http://www.inda-gro.com/pdf/aquarium-lighting.pdf

6.) http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6...wparvsdist.jpg

7.) http://breedbay.co.uk/gallery/data/1375/par_chart.JPG

8.) http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6...wparvsdist.jpg

9.) http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...riousBulbs.jpg

10.) http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...PARSUMMARY.jpg

11.) http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...PARMeaning.jpg

12.) I don't believe there is any consensus about the definition of low, medium and highlight. But, here is my definiition, subject to, and almost certain to change:
Low light - 15-30 micromols of PAR - CO2 is not needed, but is helpful to the plants
Medium light - 35-50 micromols of PAR - CO2 may be needed to avoid too many nuisance algae problems. High light - more than 50 micromols of PAR - pressurized CO2 is essential to avoid major algae problems"

13.) "Say 50 micomol or less, 120 or less, 200 or higher. This at the tip of the plant, not the bulb or the surface of the water etc. "

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See there's a lot of variation ( I stopped at lucky #13 because I couldn't find anything else) so yeah, I'll be averaging them or what not to see where it actually is. I probably don't have to because I'm pretty sure my first assumption is correct:

Low Light - 10 to 30

Medium Light - 30 to 80

High Light - 80 to 120
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That is the the MOST important info you could give me, the EOTD, I was going to ask, when should I stop the Co2 flow and go refill?

Or if I want my money's worth, how do I deal with an EOTD, do i put it to one bubble per second, should I put another valve to have a stable flow when it EOTD?

I have no idea, maybe you could answer those questions, or bring someone over here and solve that problem, that would be great!
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@Chesh - What!? Didn't you say you wanted to follow this thread to learn more about planted tanks?

It isn't rocket science to do a low tech planted tank, it takes a bit more finesse for high tech
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:05 PM   #17
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I must make a disclaimer here, I can only tell you what I hear/ read ;) by no means is any of this personal experience. Even though i'm surrounded by hobbyists who love their CO2, I love my lowtech. I also love to experiment with everything I can do wtihout CO2, like i mentioned before - extremely bright lighting and making it "look" high tech etc ;) and as for finese and rocket science. CO2 isn't really rocket science either! you just need a combination of the right stuff ^_^ My boy friend knows nothing about fish keeping. He went out and got everything the instructions told him to get to run a high tech tank... and he still doesn't know anything about fish keeping! his high tech tanks are doing great! lolol

Back to the EOTD. What i've heard is that A dual stage regulator or a really good needle valve is a good preventative measure. CO2 tanks should be refilled when you see a drop in pressue, as it is the sudden loss of pressure that causes EOTD. Lemme grab someone who runs a CO2 tank for ya! :P
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:40 PM   #18
 
Haha, thanks for the disclaimer, about the rocket science, I was just trying to make a point. Are there any photos of your boyfriends tank? I would like to see that!

Hmmmm, well I would like to get the most out of my tank until it's completely empty, and thank so much about the Dual stage regulator and the other option is the really good needle valve. Got it, Also thanks for trying to get someone over here, really helps
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:55 PM   #19
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haha, he's in Japan. so no pics of his tank here :P He got himself an ADA tank set and CO2 system. IMO ADA is uneccessarily overpriced... but, meh...he was really lost when his HM exploded in growth and took over the tank, because he wanted the HC to carpet.

There's a lot of fascinating low tech experiments out there. I have a friend who grows all kind of challenging plants ranging from buces to erios... He actually uses medium lighting.On top of the CO2 he does his magic with the right mixture of substrate and ferts.

edit: I don't know whether you can tell but we're super excited to see someone get a CO2 tank up and running, hence the demand for PICS XD we really need to see more of those! (Ofcourse none of us are willing to do CO2 ourselves!)

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Old 11-23-2013, 05:58 PM   #20
 
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@Chesh - What!? Didn't you say you wanted to follow this thread to learn more about planted tanks?
It isn't rocket science to do a low tech planted tank, it takes a bit more finesse for high tech
I never said it was rocket science!!!
I really have no interest in setting up a hi-tech tank. . . but I like to read and learn about other things, too >.<
I've left wiggle room in my 125g plans for a JIC, but I don't see myself wanting to go that route - at least not anytime soon. Hopefully I'll have a loooong life of tanking ahead of me to change my mind!


I see you found Hoppy's charts. Good stuff there! He's helped me out a lot in the past, and recently gave TFK permission to reprint his article on lighting, so watch for that (it'll save you link time!), as well as another on LED lighting! *ish happy*

Seriously can't wait to see your tank grow, grow, GROW!!! And am looking forward to learning all I can from your experiences! Keep up the good work.





. . .and yesssss - picsssss! ^__^
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