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Old 08-24-2010, 06:46 PM   #31
 
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I think it is time for some updated photos of your tank. I thought your snail sitting way up on the leaf on your first batch of pictures was adorable. I don't know if you still intend to add Oto's to your tank but I have some in mine. I started with 2 not knowing about them needing groups. I also added them to a fresh tank but I added algae wafers and thankfully they survived. I went and got 2 more Oto's so they can have their little group. They are the cutest little things and I often see them cleaning off the leaves of my plants. I really enjoy watching them, they are adorable little fish.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:42 AM   #32
 
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I would advise against rotala... Ludwigea is nice and easier IMO. Wisteria is good as well.

Both root relatively fast.

As for the snails.. Pond and MTS do not leave the water... Ramshorns apparently do. I've never seen one crawling out of the water, but I have found dried shells on the counter beside the aquarium...

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Old 08-25-2010, 12:11 PM   #33
 
Thanks Inga. I'll post updated pics tonight. Took them already, I just have to get them on here. Yeah, I'm diggin' the snail. I was planning on getting some anyway - this was just a bonus from buying plants at a national chain pet store.

I don't know about getting Otos now. I'd like to (especially if i could find zebra otos) and I think a group would be fine space-wise in my 10g but I'm getting a sponge filter to reduce the current as much as possible (more CO2 for plants and less current for the Betta) and I read Otos need a decent amount of water movement. Plus I don't think I have very much algae, so I'd have to grow some outside the tank and hope it was the right kind and such. Still considering them but leaning towards no.

Wish i had known how much i would enjoy this hobby. I would have started with at least a 30 gallon tank. Thanks for the plant ideas Redchigh. I like several of the variations of the Ludwigia. Nice color contrast. I may actually take you up on your Red Cherry Shrimp offer in a few weeks.

I want to add shrimp and yours is the best price out there. I just hope my Betta doesn't realize they taste good. He's a bit of a freak about food. I feed him twice a day but he eats like a starving football fan at a pre-game tailgate. Crazy stuff. I'd like to see him eat some live food he had to chase, I think that would be cool - just not the Cherry shrimp.
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:33 PM   #34
 
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In that case I would buy ghost shrimp. Much cheaper (sold as food).

Trust me, Bettas love shrimp.


One member of the forums bought 20, and put them in a tank with just a betta.
The next morning she had a very fat betta, and no shrimp.
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:34 PM   #35
 
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I don't know about getting Otos now. I'd like to (especially if i could find zebra otos) and I think a group would be fine space-wise in my 10g but I'm getting a sponge filter to reduce the current as much as possible (more CO2 for plants and less current for the Betta) and I read Otos need a decent amount of water movement. Plus I don't think I have very much algae, so I'd have to grow some outside the tank and hope it was the right kind and such. Still considering them but leaning towards no.
You didn't read about high water flow being necessary in our profile. It isn't for Otocinclus and Parotocinclus (your zebra may be the latter genus, I'd have to check). But the need for algae is a must as I explain in our Oto profile; at the first that is, they will learn to eat from prepared sinking foods, veggies, and such once they are settled. In a 10g 3-4 otos would be nice, once the afore-mentioned is met.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:27 PM   #36
 
Well, so much for the shrimp idea. I'll try a few ghost shrimp and see if they make it and go from there. I'll eventually be getting an additional (much larger) tank, so I may have to wait until then to go with your Cherry shrimp. I'd like to get some Cardinal shrimp (Cardinia sp.?) and breed them so I could spread them through the hobby a bit - they're rare and expensive. Affordable Cherry shrimp are tough to come by as well, so thanks for doing that.

You're right B. I hadn't checked out the fish profile first. One facet of this forum i keep forgetting about. I found that the zebra oto is O. Cocama - and somewhat expensive as well. Cheapest I found was $12 per fish with a minimum of 5 to purchase. Add the shipping and that gets to be too much for my 10 gallon and my strictly regimented fish budget. Maybe in my long term, bigger tank plans. I'll just have to find a more common, cheaper Oto.

As mentioned, I would make sure the environment is best suited for Otos to thrive, so I'll consistently test the PH and Nitrates to make sure those levels are stable and before I decide to purchase Otos, I'll make sure I have some algae grown on rocks at least - to help them adapt, if not let my tank run heavily planted for a while to develop its own algae first. i just hope it's the right kind.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:29 PM   #37
 
Oh yeah - right now I have 5 swords and some Water Sprite floating, a T8 6700K Sunlight 15 watt bulb. How long each day should I leave the light on? No timer yet - it's on the list. Right now I'm at 10-12 hours. Not sure if that's too much.
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Old 08-25-2010, 07:04 PM   #38
 
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Oh yeah - right now I have 5 swords and some Water Sprite floating, a T8 6700K Sunlight 15 watt bulb. How long each day should I leave the light on? No timer yet - it's on the list. Right now I'm at 10-12 hours. Not sure if that's too much.
Have a read of Part 4 (light) and Part 1 (the bit about the law of minimum) of the series "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" at the head of this section, it explains the light/nutrient balance issue. With that in mind, what ferts are you using? And what fish are in this tank?

[Sorry if I ask questions that have answers buried somewhere in this thread.]

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Old 08-25-2010, 07:58 PM   #39
 
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You're right B. I hadn't checked out the fish profile first. One facet of this forum i keep forgetting about. I found that the zebra oto is O. Cocama - and somewhat expensive as well. Cheapest I found was $12 per fish with a minimum of 5 to purchase. Add the shipping and that gets to be too much for my 10 gallon and my strictly regimented fish budget. Maybe in my long term, bigger tank plans. I'll just have to find a more common, cheaper Oto.

As mentioned, I would make sure the environment is best suited for Otos to thrive, so I'll consistently test the PH and Nitrates to make sure those levels are stable and before I decide to purchase Otos, I'll make sure I have some algae grown on rocks at least - to help them adapt, if not let my tank run heavily planted for a while to develop its own algae first. i just hope it's the right kind.

The profiles have been a big help for me. Had I only started reading them a bit sooner, I could have saved myself a few mistakes. Better late then never, I guess. As far as Oto's go...
That cute little guy was a little over a dollar at Petsmart. He might have even been a dollar. I got a couple dollar fish. I wasn't being cheap, I just liked them and thought they were perfect for my tank. I did pay more for a few of them, I got them at 2 different times. Once they were the sale fish and once they were not. I don't know that I will ever have a tank without them again, I like them that much. That is not me trying to talk you into them either. We all have to get what we like. I just wanted to tell you that you don't need some fancy variety, the cheap guys are cute too. ha ha
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:32 PM   #40
 
Thanks for the info Inga. Attached are the latest photos, thought they may be a bit big, don't know how to re-size them.

It's Ok Byron. "Buried" is the right word. I only have a Betta and one remaining Ramshorn snail. I wanted to get the tank planted and thriving before I added more fish - thus the info request/research on the Otos. Right now I'm only using API's Leaf Zone and I buried API's root tabs near each of the 5 swords in the tank. I was going to use up the Leaf Zone before I spent more money on the Flourish Comprehensive. Think the plants will make it 'till then?

I did read the 4 part series but probably over a month ago. I'll re-familiarize myself.

The first pic is the tank - the next pic is of the white fuzzy beard that still exists on the driftwood, even though I removed it and scrubbed it. It's not white out of the tank, it's the same color as the wood so I missed some. The other pics are of the plants. I didn't bury the roots all the way on the swords. The Water Sprite looks good except for one brownish root, which may not be bad. May just be the root color.

Work in progress but so much better than where I started.
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