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Old 01-28-2011, 06:25 PM   #11
 
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OKAY BIG NEWS From reading further I think my soil might've become anerobic considering the lack of MTS.

So there's the first clue as to why my setup failed the first time.
I will definitely fix this on the second go! I am determined to get this right! The betta I get this spring will deserve the best home I can afford and his owner deserves the peace of mind knowing he is in a safe home!

I will take all advice straight to heart!

I'm even actually buying Diana Walstad's book as I post this.
From what I'm guessing, the PDFs I found were missing some key information about how to detect when you run into problems with the tank.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:42 PM   #12
 
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OKAY BIG NEWS From reading further I think my soil might've become anerobic considering the lack of MTS.

So there's the first clue as to why my setup failed the first time.
I will definitely fix this on the second go! I am determined to get this right! The betta I get this spring will deserve the best home I can afford and his owner deserves the peace of mind knowing he is in a safe home!

I will take all advice straight to heart!

I'm even actually buying Diana Walstad's book as I post this.
From what I'm guessing, the PDFs I found were missing some key information about how to detect when you run into problems with the tank.
Actually thats not the first clue. My 1st soil based tank is doing great and I can assure you its gone pretty anerobic in there. I was expecting it to and its never caused any problem for me in previous tanks. Poke the substrate weekly and I get lots of big bubbles. Thats all I really do about that.
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Old 01-29-2011, 05:28 PM   #13
 
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Sorry it's been so long! I'm editing a movie trailers for school...
Anywho, I'm currently re-ordering MTS. :) Also trying to research the prime conditions for them to spawn so I have many more for the four tanks I have which will be planted in the same style.

I was very interested in swords but I don't know what kind of water chemistry they thrive in. Any advice? I have hard water with heavy chlorine, but I use a little extra dechlorinator for good measure and it's been fine so far. Plus my tank is low light low tech.


As for the setup:
I have CFLs for all my tanks. 10 watts 6,500 Kelvins for my 3 gallon (making it medium lighted I suppose), 10 (same kelvins) watts for both my 5 gallon tanks, and two 10 watt bulbs (20 watts 6,500 Kelvins) for my 10 gallon.
Moving water in all tanks but the three gallon (more than likely will be baffled with filter sponges so it's not too much movement for my floaters. No actual chemical filtration to speak of.)
I plan on planting everything except the Frogbit. And water Lettuce if I can find it. (Any ideas where to order water lettuce off the net???)
I'm trying to find out how best to plant the Hornwort. It would not stay seated in my tank the last time.
I will probably do the 1 inch soil 1 inch gavel method SinCrisis recommended.
Using the plants listed earlier and with plenty of MTS and Ramshorn.
Probably ditching the mystery snail idea even though they're gorgeous tank mates. (Magenta and Prurple brigs with orange bodies!)
Instead I'll get some shrimp. Probably from a seller on aqua bid. But I'm not sure when a good time to have them shipped would be... It is rather cold out right now. :(


Also I'm currently feeding my ramshorn snails algae wafers. Should I feed them something different?
I've been keeping the ramshorns in a 1 gallon jar with some of the leftover Frogbit from the last go and you're right Byron. They're munching on the Frogbit.

I don't want to just get rid of them. :( That seems cruel on both ends: I can't just introduce them into the environment. They'd be an invasive species. And I don't want to mercy kill them just because they eat plants. That seems cruel. I'd be interested in getting some pond snails if I can. Anyone know where I can get them? (with out going to an actual pond? they're all frozen here)


And yes, redchigh, you're very right. I've researched creeping jenny and it is both a submersed plant and a terrestrial plant. I've seen it raised successfully in other tanks around the web. In fact it fared the best in my last go. It was the healtiest, even with the algae. My Mexican Oak Leaf just withered and died. (which is weird because I've heard good things about the MOL)
And I'll also be looking at your guide on setting up a soil substrate planted tank.

I also have API Leafzone, if that should be mentioned. But I didn't use it on the first try.


Also: The algae was hair algae and another algae I'm not familiar with. My sister chimed in that it might have been mildew or mold from the decay of the plants, but this confuses me. I didn't think that could happen? The smell was bad though. I wish I hadn't gotten so swamped with work/school. I should have kept a better eye on things regardless though. A mistake I won't make again!


Looking forward to some posts on this thread! :) Thanks for all of your advice and help so far!
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OKAY BIG NEWS From reading further I think my soil might've become anerobic considering the lack of MTS.

So there's the first clue as to why my setup failed the first time.
I will definitely fix this on the second go! I am determined to get this right! The betta I get this spring will deserve the best home I can afford and his owner deserves the peace of mind knowing he is in a safe home!

I will take all advice straight to heart!

I'm even actually buying Diana Walstad's book as I post this.
From what I'm guessing, the PDFs I found were missing some key information about how to detect when you run into problems with the tank.
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Actually thats not the first clue. My 1st soil based tank is doing great and I can assure you its gone pretty anerobic in there. I was expecting it to and its never caused any problem for me in previous tanks. Poke the substrate weekly and I get lots of big bubbles. Thats all I really do about that.

I will be Poking my soil since it is known to be good for it. A mistake I made the first time. Sincrisis and I believe Byron or redchigh said it was good for the tank earlier.

I would still love advice on what to feed my ramshorns to keep them from munching my plants further.
Maybe feed them sinking pellets that have some protien in them?

I would also love to hear of any common kinks people run into along the way and how to avoid them!
I'm probably going to go browse the forums to find some additional answers.

Thanks!
-Lucy
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:38 PM   #14
 
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Ramshorns like fish flake, fish food, and blanched vegetables (I'm assuming. I doubt anyone has actually fed ramshorns blanched veggies, but I bet they'd like it.)


The only two real kinks for soil are algae and anaerobic bacteria.


One of my tanks has gone anaerobic actually- and I can't seem to fix it. I may have to break it down and redo it.
My others are fine.


If you use sunlight, you may want to place tape around the base of the tank so that light doesn't hit the soil sub-layer. Light can trigger the release of iron, which algae love.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:24 PM   #15
 
Theres always the dry-start method, but you need a good amount of patience to do it since you need to wait a long time before adding fish. However, i think it covers most issues in soil tanks.
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