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post #1 of 26 Old 05-03-2012, 12:33 PM Thread Starter
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So close to giving up on real plants...

Been told time and time again "give them time to acclimate to your tank/ water conditions. Well how much time. Recently switched from gravel to sand and added an Amazon sword/ dwarf sword 2 crypts ,pygmy sword and 2 water sprites for my 55g. Had some corkscrew and Italian Val from previous tank that I moved over. The water sprite is browning again( second time trying it) my crypts are melting, but I expected that. Vals are completely falling apart, pygmy sword looks like crap. Why can't I grow plants? I have seachem root tabs in, dose with flourish once a week ,30-40% water changes weekly and have a double strip lighting with a t8 6500k and a life glo 6700k. Help me out here. Does it take months for a plant to adjust? Should I not panic as long as there are roots on the plants?
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Been told time and time again "give them time to acclimate to your tank/ water conditions. Well how much time. Recently switched from gravel to sand and added an Amazon sword/ dwarf sword 2 crypts ,pygmy sword and 2 water sprites for my 55g. Had some corkscrew and Italian Val from previous tank that I moved over. The water sprite is browning again( second time trying it) my crypts are melting, but I expected that. Vals are completely falling apart, pygmy sword looks like crap. Why can't I grow plants? I have seachem root tabs in, dose with flourish once a week ,30-40% water changes weekly and have a double strip lighting with a t8 6500k and a life glo 6700k. Help me out here. Does it take months for a plant to adjust? Should I not panic as long as there are roots on the plants?
When you do water changes, are you dosing with Prime?

If so I would wait 24 hours after using Prime to add any conditioner as Prime will neutralize the fertilizers effects.

Do you vacuum your substrate?

If so, I would lower how often you do so and only really get the top. This is mainly so bacteria and nutrients can build up in the substrate for your plants. The fact that you are adding the root tabs should be more than enough.

So you have ONE t8 6500k and ONE life glo 6700k on a two bulb fixture?

Size? Wattage? Is this two super long lights? or one 24" on one side and one 24" on the other?

Do you have hard water? gH, kH?
Hard water had many minerals essential for some plants. If you do, the 30-40% weekly water changes should be providing you with plenty of minerals in the water.

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Edit: Also on the Vallis, mine turned red and was uprooted by my corys. They completely destroyed the plant. It looked beautiful I dunno what happened. You said yours was brown though. Regardless though, mine wasn't brown and it came part very easily. I dunno if it is just that plant.
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I add fertilizer 48hrs after dosing with prime, 48' bulbs, one is a 40w the other a 32. I don't touch the substrate and my water is hard.
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His lights are fine, and on the upper end. A 55 gallon is 48", so a dual T8 would be 64 watts (each tube is 32 watts). Wish people would forgot watts, they're useless for figuring out anything ;) A more important question is how long are they on a day?

Any time you mess with plants, like uprooting them and changing the substrate, will make them have to re-adjust again. Using a gravel vacuum can do the same thing since you are disturbing the roots.

It's true you should wait at least 24 hours after using a conditioner that detoxifies heavy metals (Prime is only one of many that do this), but that's only some of the nutrients in Flourish Comp (things like Copper). It dosen't neutralize everything.

Is the Water Sprite actually turning brown, or is it algae growing on the plant? Brown algae, which is really diatoms, are quite common in a new tank. If the plants you bought were grown emmersed (out of water) it is common for the old leaves to die as new ones form. Are you getting any new growth at all? A lot of times plants we buy that come in the plastic pots with rock wool around the roots were grown in a hydroponics setup.
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His lights are fine, and on the upper end. A 55 gallon is 48", so a dual T8 would be 64 watts (each tube is 32 watts). Wish people would forgot watts, they're useless for figuring out anything ;) A more important question is how long are they on a day?

Any time you mess with plants, like uprooting them and changing the substrate, will make them have to re-adjust again. Using a gravel vacuum can do the same thing since you are disturbing the roots.

It's true you should wait at least 24 hours after using a conditioner that detoxifies heavy metals (Prime is only one of many that do this), but that's only some of the nutrients in Flourish Comp (things like Copper). It dosen't neutralize everything.

Is the Water Sprite actually turning brown, or is it algae growing on the plant? Brown algae, which is really diatoms, are quite common in a new tank. If the plants you bought were grown emmersed (out of water) it is common for the old leaves to die as new ones form. Are you getting any new growth at all? A lot of times plants we buy that come in the plastic pots with rock wool around the roots were grown in a hydroponics setup.
Yes the lights are fine.

I asked how long they were and I asked wattage because it is important to know the output of the lights. The wattage represents how much electricity is being used to create the light.

How many hours do you keep your lights on each day? What time do you turn them on and off?

Light Intensity is just as important as duration. As Byron stated in one of his articles, when trying to keep intensity down for algae and energy sake, spectrum comes into play a lot more. With enough intensity, the plants will photosynthesize. There is a lot more too that but I tried to sum it up real quick.

Like Geo is saying, and I agree that this could be your issue is that plants do loose leaves after changing their environment. Going from out of water to in water, floating to planted..etc.

You have said in the first post that you have waited. Exactly when did you get these plants? When did you change the gravel to sand?
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Lights are on from 9am to 7pm..10 hrs a day which I know is fine. Switched to sand just a week ago but do the plants die off completely and come back. This is also my second go around with water sprite and it's browning and wilting away like it did before. That's why I got 2 this time hoping 1 would respond, guess not. That is the plant I want most to be sussessful.

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Lights are on from 9am to 7pm..10 hrs a day which I know is fine. Switched to sand just a week ago but do the plants die off completely and come back. This is also my second go around with water sprite and it's browning and wilting away like it did before. That's why I got 2 this time hoping 1 would respond, guess not. That is the plant I want most to be sussessful.
Can you take a picture of your tank and how you have it layed out?

Are the plants directly under the light?
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What fish do you have in the tank?
How often do you feed them?

You might be lacking the Macronutrients (flourish is a supplement, and is mostly trace elements. You might not have enough NPK)

If the tank isn't infested with algae, have you considered upping the flourish to twice a week?

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What fish do you have in the tank?
How often do you feed them?

You might be lacking the Macronutrients (flourish is a supplement, and is mostly trace elements. You might not have enough NPK)

If the tank isn't infested with algae, have you considered upping the flourish to twice a week?
Good suggestion,

The twice a week Flourish dose could def make a difference, I know it did for me.
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post #10 of 26 Old 05-03-2012, 06:08 PM Thread Starter
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I'll give 2 doses a try, currently have 28 fish.. zebra danios, cherry barbs, bloodfin tetras, cories, platys and mollys.
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