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Old 05-23-2010, 01:18 AM   #21
 
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Hey byron. In my 44g tank there still is quite some brown diatoms and it seems they are spreading (I didn't clean it off the glass because I thought the otocinclus catfish I put in would do that and would need food?) The links were very informative though I haven't sat down and completely read the second one fully yet. I will soon. So, if the brown diatoms continue to spread does that mean I will be needing a second light? I'm still a bit confused because in tanks with excess light I would often get brown algae. (When I didn't have plants). Could it be silicates? What causes those?

Also, I think my red tiger lotus is dead... :/ It's last leaf is finally decaying I think and I don't see any signs of new growth... Without photosynthesizing, is it possible for it to grow any new leafs? Should I remove the plant (the roots and what-not) or just leave it? Is it possible to come back? :(
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:43 PM   #22
 
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Hey byron. In my 44g tank there still is quite some brown diatoms and it seems they are spreading (I didn't clean it off the glass because I thought the otocinclus catfish I put in would do that and would need food?) The links were very informative though I haven't sat down and completely read the second one fully yet. I will soon. So, if the brown diatoms continue to spread does that mean I will be needing a second light? I'm still a bit confused because in tanks with excess light I would often get brown algae. (When I didn't have plants). Could it be silicates? What causes those?

Also, I think my red tiger lotus is dead... :/ It's last leaf is finally decaying I think and I don't see any signs of new growth... Without photosynthesizing, is it possible for it to grow any new leafs? Should I remove the plant (the roots and what-not) or just leave it? Is it possible to come back? :(
Sit tight on the brown algae. Yes, otos will eat this, they love it. As I have cautioned you and others with similar problems, this cannot be rushed. If the balance in an established tank gets out, you need to work towards finding why and resolve that, not jump into adding lights, removing lights, adding this or that, etc. One step at a time; an aquarium is a delicate balance of nature, a sort of mini eco-system, and anything done to one part of it will almost certainly have consequences elsewhere.

The tiger lotus is a bulb plant so food is stored in the bulb. Leave it planted, I would expect new leaf growth to emerge. From what I have read, this plant frequently dies back like this when transplanted to a new environment. Something similar to crypts that will usually (though not always) "melt" when moved, even within the same tank sometimes, but they usually come back.

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Old 05-23-2010, 07:02 PM   #23
 
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Thanks Byron. :D It didn't seem to come as a bulb though... But maybe it's small and I didn't see it...?

One of the ottos died last night in the 44g and I could only see one alive. But there's plenty of places the other could have been hiding. The other 2 in my 29g tank are doing good though. :) There is some red algae still I think... do you think a Siamese algae eater would be helpful with that?

How long should I wait before I try anything to fix that algae problem?
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Old 05-23-2010, 08:24 PM   #24
 
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Thanks Byron. :D It didn't seem to come as a bulb though... But maybe it's small and I didn't see it...?

One of the ottos died last night in the 44g and I could only see one alive. But there's plenty of places the other could have been hiding. The other 2 in my 29g tank are doing good though. :) There is some red algae still I think... do you think a Siamese algae eater would be helpful with that?

How long should I wait before I try anything to fix that algae problem?
I am not an advocate of adding a fish to any aquarium solely to eat algae, unless you really want the fish itself as a fish in the tank, if you follow me. For instance, I have a trio of Farlowella (Twig Catfish) in my 90g and they are incredible algae eaters, but that's not why they are in there; I like the fish and the fact that they eat algae is something of a plus. The true SAE, Crossocheilus siamensis, gets up to 6 inches or better, and that is a significant addition to the biology in the tank, esp a smaller tank (under 50+ gallons).

If by red algae you mean black brush algae (which is technically a red algae), it will not go away unless you remove it. The aim is to prevent it from spreading or increasing beyond reason. That means getting the balance between light and nutrients in tune for the plants, as we've discussed before.
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Old 05-23-2010, 08:55 PM   #25
 
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I'm not exactly sure how to remove it though. It is very tough and all over this one rock. (Maybe I'll just get rid of this rock and use the slate I had from my other tanks.) I guess I could just scratch it off my plants? It's also spreading around the edges of my anubias. :/ And on some plants.

Also, I didn't know they get that big so I guess it's not a viable option. I assumed around 3 inches... I don't know why lol. But it's not like I wouldn't care about it still even if I bought it to mostly eat algae. I actually do like the otocinclus catfish, but when I was younger I tried to get some to live in the 5g tank I had and I never could so I always wrote them off as fish I couldn't keep but now that I am learning more I'm able to keep them alive. :)
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Old 05-23-2010, 09:32 PM   #26
 
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I'm not exactly sure how to remove it though. It is very tough and all over this one rock. (Maybe I'll just get rid of this rock and use the slate I had from my other tanks.) I guess I could just scratch it off my plants? It's also spreading around the edges of my anubias. :/ And on some plants.

Also, I didn't know they get that big so I guess it's not a viable option. I assumed around 3 inches... I don't know why lol. But it's not like I wouldn't care about it still even if I bought it to mostly eat algae. I actually do like the otocinclus catfish, but when I was younger I tried to get some to live in the 5g tank I had and I never could so I always wrote them off as fish I couldn't keep but now that I am learning more I'm able to keep them alive. :)
Brush algae can be removed by picking it off bit by bit; very tedious. Personally, I let it grow on the wood and rock, I like it, and it provides a home for numerous plankton-type creatures that fry (if you have any fish spawn some time) will eat. Lots of fish like to graze through brush algae picking out food bits. I spotted a couple of tiny fry last night in my 90g again, grazing through the brush algae on one of the standing bits of wood.

On plants, it tends to like Anubias for some reason; some think because the Anubias is so tough and slow growing it is a good host. I have some on some of the plant leaves in the 90g, I just keep an eye on it, and if it starts increasing I reduce the light duration. Interestingly I have noticed that the plant leaves it is on are dead or dying at the base, so I remove them; not sure which comes first, the leaf dying and the algae gets on it, or the reverse.

Otos should be added to an established tank, never a new one, and only if there is good green (regular) or brown algae present to start them on. When introduced to algae-free tanks they usually starve. There were some comments on otots in another thread recently.

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Old 05-23-2010, 10:35 PM   #27
 
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Ya, I introduced them to my 44g with the brown algae all over it so I'm not sure why they died. It was established for a few months now and was seeded from filters from older tanks. Bit worried though to add my angelfish now since one died. It could have just been a fluke though?

But thanks for the ideas. I'll just scrub it off the plants. It's actually not too bad. I think I desperately need root tabs for this tank though. Can't t them yet though.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:07 PM   #28
 
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I think I desperately need root tabs for this tank though. Can't t them yet though.
What is the substrate, and what are the plants?
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:26 PM   #29
 
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It was ecocomplete but I had added it like 3 years ago and then a bunch of regular aquarium gravel mixed in. It just seems everything grows painfully slow.... :S

Anyways, I tried to get the red algae off the tips of the anubias but I have no clue how to do it without ripping up the whole plant. O.O
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:22 PM   #30
 
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It was ecocomplete but I had added it like 3 years ago and then a bunch of regular aquarium gravel mixed in. It just seems everything grows painfully slow.... :S

Anyways, I tried to get the red algae off the tips of the anubias but I have no clue how to do it without ripping up the whole plant. O.O
Root tabs will be of no value for Anubias which is not rooted in the substrate. And your Eco-complete may have nutrients in it still; the manufacturer says it never gives out, which of course is an impossible claim, but still it may have some value. Unless you have heavy root feeding plants like swords or crypts, substrate fertilizers have no practical value. so save your money.

I would leave the algae on the plants, and monitor that it doesn't continue to spread.
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