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post #11 of 25 Old 05-05-2011, 08:40 PM Thread Starter
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here's a few pics of what i'm referring to as micro swords, which is what they were labeled at PetSmart. pic one is a closeup, and pic two shows where the 3 are positioned in the tank..





then in the above pic, you can also see the two pygmy chain swords, slightly to the right of the micros, and back a bit. but this pic is around a month old, when they were newer. i cut alot of brown leaves off of it, and it's actually pretty skimpy now. and the remaining leaves are brown. although i think i can see a few new smaller leaves forming, but i'm not 100% that they're actually new. you can kind of see some short green leaves on the plant on the right. this is how they look now. the only plants that aren't doing well in this tank. maybe it's the positioning. like they're too close to other, larger, more established plants that suck up the nutrients first or something.




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post #12 of 25 Old 05-05-2011, 09:08 PM Thread Starter
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also i should mention that a few weeks ago, i added a second filter, an Aqueon HOB for a 55 gallon. i think i added it because my canister filter doesn't break the surface, and a film would form on the surface, so i wanted to see if i could get rid of it. and it did. but after 4-5 days using it, i unplugged it and haven't used it in atleast a week. it still is sitting in the tank though. that filter also had filter pads with carbon in them. i don't have any carbon in my canister filter. i know with a planted aquarium, breaking the surface is not recommended. maybe this and the carbon had a little to do with those pygmy chain swords starting to die. just more info i thought of...


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post #13 of 25 Old 05-06-2011, 01:00 AM Thread Starter
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in regards to your lighting/fertilizer question, i forgot to mention that i dose a capful of Flourish Comprehensive twice a week.


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and here's a few more pics of the sword from the first post, the one that this thread is about. these pics are from 04-17, a few days after i bought them and put them into the tank. these just show that the stem was not present when i bought the plant, unlike the inflorescence that was present on the pygmy chain swords when i bought them. so what i'm saying is this stem grew after it became submersed.
That's common. A plant "intends" to send out an inflorescence, this is affected or may be triggered by many things such as nutrients, light, water parameters, being moved, etc.

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This is in response to the several posts on the "micro sword" and pygmy chain sword issues.

The three plantings on the front left are Lilaeopsis brasiliensis. The two groupings to the right and back a bit are Helanthium tenellum (pygmy chain sword as you state). The leaves are the emersed form, which has a petiole (stem) with a awl-shaped blade; the submersed form is more ribbon-like. The plants were obviously cultivate emersed, and now being submersed the leaves will all yellow and die. New growth should be visible from the centre of the crown. Trim off as much of the brown as you can. Sometimes this change-over takes several weeks, sometimes less.

I doubt the filter issue would have had any impact on this matter. And given the state of the other plants, I don't think the light. And fertilization is adequate, more than in fact, but I wouldn't change yet as there are other plants with differing needs and they are responding well.

I would surmise it is simply the adjustment from submersed to emersed cultivation. I am currently experiencing the same issue in fact. And after I moved one set of plants into the new 70g with the Flourite substrate, I was intrigued to note that after maybe 3 weeks or so these "poor" pygmy chains sent out runners and the adventitious plants are nice and green, whereas the leaves on the original parent plants are yellowing and failing. Give them time.

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i'll be patient, and give them time. thank you for your insight sir.


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post #18 of 25 Old 05-07-2011, 08:18 PM Thread Starter
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the other day when i first mentioned the pygmies, i thought i could maybe see the beginnings of new leaves, and now there's no doubt about it. today i finally trimmed off a lot of the dead leaves. the one on the right had several new leaves, while the one on the left is just starting to look how the other one did the other day. i can just start to see the tips of leaves coming up.



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Yes, as I said, those are the submersed leaf form. They'll be fine.

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post #20 of 25 Old 05-11-2011, 03:49 PM
microsword, the ones in the front, is something that ive been keeping for a long time, its a very slow growing plant. Even in ideal conditions under natural light and unlimited co2, it takes a long time to grow.
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