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Old 03-26-2011, 08:47 AM   #21
 
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I agree with Mikakia!! Check it out after about a month or so . It will depend on your bui load and the debris it picks up from your plants and fish. I go between two and three months (only because I can) Probably could go longer on some tanks .. Great filters . Jack P.S. no carbon unless for a short period of time you want to remove meds. or tannin coloration from driftwood.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:02 PM   #22
 
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If you want to max out plant growth, some say the "media" is bad in canisters, you should use the blue sponges instead. I don't buy it, the sponges have a lot of surface area also and they will act as biological media also. The problem is, if you lower your filtration, you have to lower the number of fish the tank has. What's the priority - fish or plants? Work from there for priorities. You can have plants and fish, and if the tank is not optimized for plants, plants will still grow (if basic needs are met), just a little less rapidly. Lots of info in the forum's "stickies". I highly recommend them! Lots of experts here (not including myself in the list of experts, I'm still learning!).
Remember, plants act as filtration. ;)

Media is fine, and definately remove the carbon.
There is a tradeoff-


Without media, you will have a bit less bacteria action to absorb ammonia. Ammonia is prefered by plants over nitrite or nitrate though. With enough plants, a cycle isn't even neccesary.

With media, all ammonia will be converted to nitrate (and possibly some of it will be converted to nitrogen gas, which is a good thing.) Of course, all this bacteria uses oxygen and produces CO2, so you might end up with a little bit more CO2. (not enough to cause harm), and could theoretically be more beneficial to plants. Unsure if the amount would be noticable.

I'd use the filter without the carbon. If you're using amazon species, you could even use a little peat moss in the filter. It will give the water a slight tinge, but it's great for the health of the fish and plants
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:05 PM   #23
 
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Remember, plants act as filtration. ;)

Media is fine, and definately remove the carbon.
There is a tradeoff-


Without media, you will have a bit less bacteria action to absorb ammonia. Ammonia is prefered by plants over nitrite or nitrate though. With enough plants, a cycle isn't even neccesary.

With media, all ammonia will be converted to nitrate (and possibly some of it will be converted to nitrogen gas, which is a good thing.) Of course, all this bacteria uses oxygen and produces CO2, so you might end up with a little bit more CO2. (not enough to cause harm), and could theoretically be more beneficial to plants. Unsure if the amount would be noticable.

I'd use the filter without the carbon. If you're using amazon species, you could even use a little peat moss in the filter. It will give the water a slight tinge, but it's great for the health of the fish and plants
really?? peat moss inside the caniter? thats sounds swell:)
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Old 03-26-2011, 05:02 PM   #24
 
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Peat will soften the water! But will also give a hew to the tank. Before you go there Just use the filter media that came with the Ehiem.. You wont go wrong. Keep it simple in the beginning Then try peat or what ever you like. Redchigh is correct . !! But unless you are trying to create an Amazon tank you will not need it. Jack
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Old 03-26-2011, 05:48 PM   #25
 
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Thanks for all the info I put the media back in already waiting on my plants to come in now. I do a couple of Amazon plants coming with a total of 40 plants all together was a a plant package for a 55 gallon tank.
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Old 03-26-2011, 06:13 PM   #26
 
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8 - Jungle vallisneria
6 - Corkscrew val
1 - Marble radican
4 - Rosette
2 - Cardamine
2 - Medium Amazon
1 - Medium Brazil
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2 - Ozelot Sword
3 - Myrio filigree
1 - Oriental Sword
3 - Rotala
4 - Microsword
Is actually the plants that I have coming in
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Old 03-27-2011, 01:48 AM   #27
 
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OKay I got my filter running letting the water cycle to get the tannin out of the water from the drift wood using the carbon pad till my plants come in then I will take it out btw Thanks UnderH2o for that tip! Never thought about that. I think I am putting to much thought into this whole matter and If I would just stop and think about I would probably be able to come up with the solution to my answers. I know activative carbon removes alot of stuff from water where I work we use it to pull the cholrine out of the water along with whatever else is left in the water at that point too. I do have a question that is off Subject here but has anyone ever used the Bio-Magnet clarifier packs that come with ecocomplete? Is that really needed cycling the tank for a couple of days would do the same thing. Also is it safe for the plants?
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Old 03-27-2011, 01:40 PM   #28
 
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OKay I got my filter running letting the water cycle to get the tannin out of the water from the drift wood using the carbon pad till my plants come in then I will take it out btw Thanks UnderH2o for that tip! Never thought about that. I think I am putting to much thought into this whole matter and If I would just stop and think about I would probably be able to come up with the solution to my answers. I know activative carbon removes alot of stuff from water where I work we use it to pull the cholrine out of the water along with whatever else is left in the water at that point too. I do have a question that is off Subject here but has anyone ever used the Bio-Magnet clarifier packs that come with ecocomplete? Is that really needed cycling the tank for a couple of days would do the same thing. Also is it safe for the plants?
I recently used Flourite substrate and Seachem also suggested a clarifier to clear the water more rapidly, but I am not in favour of these things. Now, I don't know how the "clarifier" of Flourite or Eco-Complete works, but some water clarifiers act by binding minute particles into larger particles that can more easily be removed by the filter pads. Trouble is, they also bind the fish's gills. I personally would never use clarifiers if fish are in the tank. As I say, I don't know how these particular ones work, nor how long they might remain in the water. A slight cloudiness to the water (wehich will absolutely not harm fish or plants) for several days is not a problem by comparison. In my viw, the less "stuff" put in the tank, the better.

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Old 03-27-2011, 02:22 PM   #29
 
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I recently used Flourite substrate and Seachem also suggested a clarifier to clear the water more rapidly, but I am not in favour of these things. Now, I don't know how the "clarifier" of Flourite or Eco-Complete works, but some water clarifiers act by binding minute particles into larger particles that can more easily be removed by the filter pads. Trouble is, they also bind the fish's gills. I personally would never use clarifiers if fish are in the tank. As I say, I don't know how these particular ones work, nor how long they might remain in the water. A slight cloudiness to the water (wehich will absolutely not harm fish or plants) for several days is not a problem by comparison. In my viw, the less "stuff" put in the tank, the better.

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Okay thanks Byron I haven't used it wasn't really planning on it either just was wondering how it worked really or if it was harmful or not. I will just throw the stuff away. The tank has ran for 12 hours now the water is already much clearer then it was when I first filled it up just using the filter plus the tannin from the drift wood is gone soo I think I will go ahead and take out the carbon pad out as well. Thanks again for all the helpful info!!!
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