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Old 10-17-2012, 05:06 PM   #1
 
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Pond Care Aquatic Plant Food Liquid - Help!

Ive come to realize that i need some sort of ferts for my tanks, since i cant seem to keep my plants healthy. I have some jungle vals, and other plants, and they turn brown and die whenever they grow new leaves.
So i was at Petco, and the only fert they had was this kind from Pond Care, though it says for floating plants, im assuming substrate plants will still grow better and he healthy?
Anyone have advice?
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:56 PM   #2
 
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I would have to see the ingredients [can you post a link to some data on this product?] to comment on its effectiveness.

We should examine your setup as plant issues can be from different causes.

Nutrients have to be available for plants, and all of them will occur naturally from the tap water (water changes) and fish foods providing organics, but depending upon the number of plants, GH of the tap water, fish load/feeding and tank lighting, this may or may not be sufficient.

Then there is the issue of lighting; not all plants will manage under the same light intensity. If you tell us what you have (be very specific) and the tank size, I may be able to offer something. Also, the GH of the tap water is important, as Vallisneria does not do well in soft water. And is the trouble all the plants, and if so, which species?

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Old 10-18-2012, 04:25 PM   #3
 
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I would have to see the ingredients [can you post a link to some data on this product?] to comment on its effectiveness.

We should examine your setup as plant issues can be from different causes.

Nutrients have to be available for plants, and all of them will occur naturally from the tap water (water changes) and fish foods providing organics, but depending upon the number of plants, GH of the tap water, fish load/feeding and tank lighting, this may or may not be sufficient.

Then there is the issue of lighting; not all plants will manage under the same light intensity. If you tell us what you have (be very specific) and the tank size, I may be able to offer something. Also, the GH of the tap water is important, as Vallisneria does not do well in soft water. And is the trouble all the plants, and if so, which species?

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Hi Byron! Thanks for answering! Sorry it took so long to respond..
Here is a link of the product i bought, though i dont think it shows the ingredients, so here they are..
PondCare Liquid Aquatic Plant Food at PETCO

soluble potash[K2O] 3%
Iron [Fe] .10%
Chelated Iron .10%
Derived from Potassium Sulfate and Iron EDTA

The directions on the bottle say 2 table spoons per 60 gallons, so i did the math and brought the amount down to 8 drops per gallon [according to the little bottle i use] so Theres 400 drops for the 50 gallon and 44 drops for the 5.5 gal.

The two tanks im concerned about are my 50 gallon and my 5-5 gallon.
I cant seem to grow more difficult plants in my 50 gallon, So all i have in there right now is anacharis and parrots feather, and water sprite. Im not sure which water sprite i have, floating or rooted, So i have some floating and some rooted, to see how they do.
Heres a full shot of the 50 gallon:
50 gal full.jpg
The lighting i have on this tank is a 48 inch T8 Aqua Glow 40 watt, which after researching says its 18,000k, and a 36 inch T8 6500k. The 48 in is in the back and the 36 in the front left side of the tank, where all the plants are.
The fish in this tank are 15 guppies, 10 cories, 9 cherry barbs, and 1 pristella tetra[i couldent catch him when i moved the other pristellas] and 1 betta. Theres also a rubber nose pleco and a bristlenose pleco. There are two filters, one a 70 gallon and the other a 30 gallon, and the temerature is 76-77. I do 2 water changes a week, equaling 60% of the tank. The lights on the tank are on from 11 am to 2am.
Here are the plants in the 50 gallon"
50 gal plant.jpg
50 gal plant 2.jpg
50 gal plant 3.jpg
From what ive read, anacharis is supposed to grow like a weed, but mine isnt. My water sprite is always growing, so im kind of over run with them, but thats okay, in my goldfish tank, they eat it like its an open salad bar!
Im not sure what the plant in the first picture is, i got it for free when i bought my parrots feather.

Here is a picture of the full 5.5 tank:
5.5 full.jpg
And the induvidual plants that are in here, and thier damage. Im trying to grow them in this tank, as the lights are closer to them, and i thought it would help them grow..
5.5 plant 1.jpg
5.5 plant 2.jpg
5.5 plant 3.jpg
5,5 plant 4.jpg
I believe the first is a amazon sword, the second and third im not sure about and the fourth is green hedge, which i know isnt a fully aquatic plant, though it seems to be doing well, and at first sight of dying, im going to take it out and replant it.
There is also two stalks of anacharis and some water sprite in this tank as well.
The fish in here are a few guppy fry, a betta and a mystery snail. the lighting on this tank is 2 14 watt energy saving bulbs, in a ten gallon hood. Heres a link to show you what i mean:
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/385675/Spring-Light-Compact-Fluorescent-Light-Bulb/?Channel=Google&mr:trackingCode=1E410D1B-EC81-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:mat ch={matchtype}&mr:ad=19948972316&mr:filter=4575504 6476&mr:keyword={keyword}&cm_mmc=Mercent-_-Googlepla-_-Office_Supplies+Desk_Accessories_Dcor_Lighting-_-385675
The lights are on a good 18 hours a day, as this is the only light we have in my room.
The temperature is at 76-77 degrees, and the heater is nonadjustable.

The GH of my water is very low, practically unreadable, as is my KH. My PH is between 6.4 and 6.6.


I believe this is all that you asked for..if theres anything else, let me know!

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Old 10-18-2012, 05:34 PM   #4
 
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OK, I see some things here. First on the 55g, the issues are light and nutrients. Nutrients primarily in the smaller tank.

That fertilizer (which is meant for ponds) is only iron and potassium, which is not going to do much as there are 17 nutrients need by plants. There is an aquarium fert much like this, I think it is the Tetra FloraPride, but may be wrong. Anyway, get yourself a complete nutrient supplement. I know of two that work. Seachem makes Flourish Comprehensive Supplement, and Brightwell Aquatics make FlorinMulti. Basically the same, and with both you use very little (like 1/2 teaspoon twice a week in the 55g). Get only these specific products, as both manufacturers make other products in these lines.

Light in the 55g is too little intensity and on for too long--if you really did mean 11am to 2am. The 6500K tube is good, but both should be the same, so if you replace the 48-in ch with a Daylight around 6500K, you'll be fine. You can get the Life-Glo in that same Hagen line if you like, it is a good tube; but expensive, and there are less expensive equally-good tubes. The ZooMed UltraSun 6500K from some fish stores. But even less money by far is the Daylight tubes made by GE, Phillips and Sylvania, from Home Depot and Lowe's and similar places. Just make sure they are T8 with 6500K.

I would restrict the light duration to around 8-9 hours during each 24-hour period, no more.

I suspect there might be a hard mineral [= calcium, magnesium] deficiency, although I do not see evidence in the sword as I would expect to under the circumstances, so the GH of your water may be soft but not very soft. I would start with either of the fertilizers (liquid) above, plus the new tube, and see what happens in maybe 3-5 weeks. These contain some hard mineral in the mix.

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Old 10-18-2012, 08:05 PM   #5
 
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I do actually have another 36 inch t8 6500k...but how would I light the last foot? Would that be enough of light?
What are the specific nutrients te plants need?
Do you have an online source that I could look at for the products you mentioned? How much do they usually charge? I want to make sure I don't pay ridiculous amounts.

Is the product I bought completely useless? Is it even worth it to continue using it?
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:08 PM   #6
 
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Also, should I do more frequent less amounts of water changes? To replace the minerals?
An this is a definitive reason my plants are doing so poor?
Because I can always save up for a superior lighting system, but right now, the plants aren't in that tank. I want to be able to save the leaves that I can! Or should I just cut them off?
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:48 AM   #7
 
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On the light. Two 36-inch 6500K tubes over the 55g will work. But as you have the fixture that takes a 48-inch, I would get a new tube, one of the less expensive ones made by GE (their GE Daylight 6500K is ideal, I use this) or Phillips (their Alto Daylight Deluxe 6500K is another I use). They are a few dollars in places like Home Depot or Lowe's, about 1/4 the cost of the fish store types. And these tubes should be replaced regularly, around 12 months I find, as they lose intensity as they burn.

Plant fertilizer. I already commented why the pond product is not adequate. You can get both products I mentioned online for less than stores. Just look for the specific products. You're in the USA so there is Big Al's online for one, and they are not expensive. They are concentrated so you use very little.

Plant nutrients. There are 17 required by aquatic plants. Macro nutrients are calcium, carbon (this is from CO2 carbon dioxide), hydrogen, magnesium, nitrogen (from ammonia/ammonium produced by fish and bacteria), oxygen (occurs naturally in any aquarium), phosphorus, potassium and sulphur. The rest are micro-nutrients, namely boron, iron, chloride, nickel, copper, manganese, molybdenum, and zinc.

Plants need all these in a fairly specific proportion to one another. An excess of some of them can cause the plants to shut down assimilation of others. The two products I mentioned contain all these (or all but oxygen, carbon and hydrogen which are in every aquarium naturally) and in the correct proportions more or less. Some of these we call hard minerals because they are what determine the hardness of water, namely calcium and magnesium, so these will come in with water changes. Others will occur with fish foods. But often n to in sufficient quantity to provide enough for the plants. So we use a comprehensive supplement, once or twice a week. The light intensity has to balance.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:52 PM   #8
 
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Thank you, im currently tracking down the bulbs and ferts you recommended..i have a few questions though.
I am considering buying a whole new hood, since the lights are separate right now. Should I even have two bulbs? and what two bulbs should i get? and if i only need one, what size and type bulb should i get? Thatll determine pricing on everything.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:48 AM   #9
 
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Thank you, im currently tracking down the bulbs and ferts you recommended..i have a few questions though.
I am considering buying a whole new hood, since the lights are separate right now. Should I even have two bulbs? and what two bulbs should i get? and if i only need one, what size and type bulb should i get? Thatll determine pricing on everything.
This is a 4-foot tank, so first off, I would go for a fixture that takes 48-inch tubes. This provides full coverage end to end, but also the 4-foot tubes are more readily available in the less expensive brands. I for instance cannot find these in some sizes, but every store has 4-foot tubes. Long-term considering replacement, this can be a significant difference in money.

Second, if you can find a single-tube T5 fixture, that is a good option, But not a dual-tube T5, that is way too much light; I tried one for a week and took it back. I can't get single-tube T5's, but another member in Texas I believe mentioned he could, so I throw this out.

Depending upon the above, the next best would be a dual-tube T8 fixture. You will have to watch the duration, as this is a bit more light; too long and algae will become an issue.

As for tubes, i already covered this. Those with a Kelvin around 6500K, regardless of T5/T8. T5 tubes are more expensive than T8. And whichever, they have to be replaced regularly; T8 every 12 months or so. Some sources say T5 last much longer but I've never used these permanently so can't comment.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:38 AM   #10
 
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Great! So I believe I'll be getting a good which can hold a 48 inch single tubed t8 6500k.
With that lighting, what tupes of plants could I hope to grow? What about 2 t8 bulbs?
This will be after I get a proper fertilizer.
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