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post #11 of 18 Old 06-04-2013, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
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Lol alright.. Sounds awesome.

I did decide I am going to put a small glass divider in the back of the tank which will have probably gravel in it.. And it'll be full of water too, but the water level will obviously be less. Idk how to really do it though. :/

The 3d background is like 5 inches shorter than it was supposed to be.. I'm thinking that'll be the best looking option. I have a piece of glass that is 6" tall and the length of the tank.. I can fasten that in, fill it, and tuck the background into that so it will be tall enough to reach the top of the tank. The lower level will have a small amount of sand and some river stones in it..

I think this'll open some options as far as planting. I'm worried about the water flow though. I'll probably use some fairly large rocks in the raised part first. And then pour some regular gravel over it.. I'm worried about using soil, that it might end up a total mess.
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post #12 of 18 Old 06-04-2013, 03:52 PM
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As you've raised this question, I'll briefly mention how I had my coujple of newt tanks set up many years ago.

The first one I did, was a 20g long type, and I found a large chunk of wood that was almost full length of the tank. I wedged this in with a 2 or 3 large rocks at one end, sort of in the rear corner, and allowed it to extend down the tank at an angle. Part way along I propped it up with another rock. Then I filled the tank so the water level was about half, and the upper surface of the wood was above it. I had a frog (Fire Bellied Toad actually), a pair of Fire-Bellied newts (that bred, and 12 efts survived to maturity), a trio of NA Easter Newts, and another odd newt I wasn't sure of the species. No filter or heater. These critters lived many years; the frog was in his 19th year when he died, and the last of the newts that hatched in this tank was in his 21st year.

Another tank I set up was a 20g, and I got two pieces of glass cut and I siliconed them diagonally so they were about 8 inches high. The front part was water, the back "land." At first I used soil with a cap of gravel, and planted ferns; this looked nice at first, but eventually became a real mess. So I tore it down and used pea gravel in the "land" compartment, much better. I had 3 or 4 newts and the same frog in this until they were all gone. No filter, but I had a heater in this tank after I moved into my present house because unlike the apartment, the house got cold in the winter at night.

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post #13 of 18 Old 06-07-2013, 12:19 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for posting that Byron. I'm still really debating on how I want to set up the tank.

I think I will still silicone a piece of glass to create a small 'land area' in the back, although I'll probably still want to allow the water line to be like half to one inch above that. The newts will be able to rest up there, but I still have part of the background where they can climb up.

The other option would be to have maybe 3" of substrate in the back, sloping down towards the front, and then put a black background behind the tank and just having like an extra 2" black strip at the top of the tank..

I still think it'd look best with the divided area. Hopefully if I put gravel in there it won't get too ganked up. You said that pea sized gravel worked for you.. But I'm not sure if you filled that part with water or not. I worry about circulation of the water.

Also, if I do this, does anyone know if root tabs are still a safe option, or should I just dose the water column. If I do try a sword I'm not sure how well it would do without a good feet for it's roots to access.. But I also don't want to over dose the water column and kill my newts or create an algae problem.
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Thank you for posting that Byron. I'm still really debating on how I want to set up the tank.

I think I will still silicone a piece of glass to create a small 'land area' in the back, although I'll probably still want to allow the water line to be like half to one inch above that. The newts will be able to rest up there, but I still have part of the background where they can climb up.

The other option would be to have maybe 3" of substrate in the back, sloping down towards the front, and then put a black background behind the tank and just having like an extra 2" black strip at the top of the tank..

I still think it'd look best with the divided area. Hopefully if I put gravel in there it won't get too ganked up. You said that pea sized gravel worked for you.. But I'm not sure if you filled that part with water or not. I worry about circulation of the water.

Also, if I do this, does anyone know if root tabs are still a safe option, or should I just dose the water column. If I do try a sword I'm not sure how well it would do without a good feet for it's roots to access.. But I also don't want to over dose the water column and kill my newts or create an algae problem.
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In my glass-partitioned tank, the silicone was not absolutely watertight so water got in to the "land" area with the gravel. I just lkeft that. If plants are planted in the gravel area this is better anyway. Ferns w3ill do well in this setup, ordinary house or woodland ferns, so long as the roots are in the water and the leaves are not.

I would have a decent area of "land" for the newts, they do like to clamber out and walk around/rest.

Only issue with substrate tabs would be newts digging them up.
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post #15 of 18 Old 06-07-2013, 06:40 PM Thread Starter
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Oh gosh.. Genius. I was hoping something like this would work. So glad to get some trusted advice and proof that it really does work. :)

I'm off to get some silicone (100%!!) And get started on that.. Then I gotta figure out how to trim the background but this'll be well on it's way to being complete and I can give my newts some much needed space!

The ferns will look great with the background. I'll probably just do some ferns and some dwarf lotus plants now, making a lot of this post useless.. Haha. Perhaps I'll try out some of the other plants though. I'd really like to try out something with flowers. :)

I will be putting pennywort in here too for sure.. Maybe some bacopa since that's easy to find. And some evil mondo grass amongst the ferns. :)

I'm excited. Thank you everyone. The newts appreciate it. :D

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post #16 of 18 Old 06-07-2013, 07:02 PM Thread Starter
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One more question/idea.. For now.. I have an internal filter that's fairly small, I think it's rated for up to a 10 gal tank. It's for a reptile tank.. It's output is a little spout with adjustable output levels. Could I burry this in the gravel and just have the little spout sticking up (it's just like 1/2 inch tall by 3/4 inch wide, if even, to have a small 'waterfall' and also provide some circulation within the gravel.

It's been so long since I've had gravel in a tank.. I just remember it turning into a nasty mess and I don't want that. Although I'm sure some mulm build up is good

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Ember Tetras -- Silver Hatchetfish
Diptail Pencilfish -- Cories
Bristlenose Pleco
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post #17 of 18 Old 06-07-2013, 07:41 PM
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I've seen filters that will create waterfalls, but not used them so can't offer much help with this. Just make sure it doesn't somehow burn out if it is out of water or drains water out, or something.

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post #18 of 18 Old 06-07-2013, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
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I think it does. But.. I would just throw it away anyways. It's pretty cheap.

I have seen people use this to make a water fall before. I suppose I will try it out and see what happens. As long as the water stays level I think it should be fine with large enough gravel. It shouldn't clog. And since it's been running already that'll add some bacteria to the tank.
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