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Plants keep dying (new lights?)
Old 10-04-2007, 07:05 AM   #11
 
[quote="fish_4_all"]135 watts though on a 55 will almost demand CO2 injection and a very stable level at that. Pressurized is the absolute way to go if you can afford it because it is the best and easiest way to keep consitant levels over 30ppm

It also looks like they could be suffering from both/either Iron deficiency/nitrigen deficiency. quote]

Thanks for that advice. Well I have never used any kind of plant tabs or anthing. Didnt know about that till now so that might be part of the problem. As for the CO2 I keep hearing two things from my two posts. 1 I need to go with CO2 especially if I want to have more than the 2 plants I have now and 2) that I need to change over from standard gravel to a more plant friendly gravel like eco-complete, flourite etc

So as for CO2 those of you that use it, is there a particular one you recommend from experience? Something that is not going to break the bank. LOL
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:36 AM   #12
 
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....There was one product called a Red Sea CO2 Pro System Standard or a Red Sea CO2 System Paintball? Not sure what the difference is or if that would be considered a "good" choice....
Now, I know very little about aquarium CO2 systems, but from brewing beer, I can tell you that the difference between those two systems is that standard version will take a regular CO2 tank, like for a soda dispensing machine, and the Paintball version will take a paintball gun CO2 cartridge. I believe either of them can be refilled. The difference being that you can take a paintball charge home in your pocket, whereas a standard CO2 tank (even the smaller ones) has some heft to it (Think like a full sized fire extinguisher for a small CO2 tank). The paintball charges would have to be refilled much more often than the standard tanks. How often that amounts to, exactly, I don't know. So it's a balance of convenience vs cost. Paintball cartridges will probably cost more in the long run, but they're a lot easier to move around and store, and the cartridge itself is probably less expensive than a standard tank (but not so much less as you might think). The standard tank is harder to move around, probably costs more in initial outlay, but only a bit more to refill, and lasts much much longer, so you won't have to move it often.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:57 AM   #13
 
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If you go with CO2, you want pressurized, period. I had a terrible time keeping my CO2 levels above 30ppm in a 10 gallon so I would never even consider it for a 55. Anything that uses pressurized will be best way to go.

You do not HAVE to use CO2. Flourish Excel works extrememly well for providing a carbon source when dosed at full dose every day and double that after a water change. I have 80 watts of regular fourescent lighting over 2 ten gallon tanks and when I had Excel I had very VERY little algae and my plants grew way too fast.
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:10 PM   #14
 
tophat665 thanks for the info...that helped clear up the confusion for me. :)

fish_4_all, is the Red Sea CO2 Pro System Standard a pressurized system? I think it is but I wanted to make sure. It doesn't run as much as some of the other pressurized systems I've seen, but I am not sure if it is a reliable system or not. Still looking around at different brands.

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Old 10-04-2007, 05:01 PM   #15
 
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I honestly don't have a clue about the Red Sea CO2 system but will see what I can find.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:53 PM   #16
 
Red Sea CO2 system is a sugar-yeast system DIY packaged for people. With monthly or 2 month recharge kits you can drop in.

I am using it now and I don't think its really doing much. My CO2 is measuring at barely 4 ppm with it going, although I could be measuring wrong, but either way its nowhere near the 20 or so that is recommended for planted tanks. I think I may bite the bullet and get pressurized after xmas. Only way I think I am going to get my plants to out perform my algae and get clear water again.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:30 PM   #17
 
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Red Sea CO2 system is a sugar-yeast system ...
Not exactly. RedSea sells various kits for CO2. One type is a sugar kit.The type being referenced here is a pressurized CO2 system.

My opinion- the redsea kit is junk. Too many plastic parts that just don't hold up. Look into a milwaukee kit- http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/212799/product.web

This is all brass. It has a built in bubble counter, needle valve and solenoid. You can plug the solenoid into a timer or a controller, depending how fancy you want to get.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:46 PM   #18
 
Ooops, sorry I wasn't paying attention to rest of thread... but my statement still stands about the sugar-yeast version.

I have no experience with the other one, but RubberFrog seems to :)
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:56 AM   #19
 
Hey,

Sorry I keep asking so many questions about the CO2 bit...I just want to find the right system.

RubberFrog & jkastner19 thanks for your input. The milwaukee kit you mentioned RubberFrog....I looked at the link...besides a CO2 tank is there anything else I would need to purchase with it? The price seems much less than some other systems I have looked at and I am curious if there are other parts I would need.

Thanks again,
Shannara~
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:10 PM   #20
 
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whats with these co2 systems??



proper tank will flourish with out any co2 additions

Co2 does not solve problems.
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