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post #11 of 21 Old 03-20-2011, 08:24 PM
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Agree with DKRST, all points. On the neons, the reverse problem also occurs, they may nip betta fins. Neons, indeed all characins, can be quite feisty nippers if they are stressed by their environment (which includes non-compatible fish), it increases aggression. For example, the larger the group the less likely this is to occur. No mention is made of tank size here, or intended neon group size.

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post #12 of 21 Old 03-20-2011, 08:40 PM Thread Starter
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I have a plain 10 gallon rectangle from walmart. I planned on 5 neons but that number is very open to change. If there is a problem my boyfriends brother has what he says is a 30 gallon but I believe is bigger with very few little fish in it. I would like to have cories, but if I can't at this point that's no problem as I don't forsee not having a fish tank in the future and I'll get them eventually.


Also, my betta has absolutely zero interest in my mystery snails. The shrimp however came under attack after they taunted him for a while...my fault for getting shrimp before my plants arrived.

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post #13 of 21 Old 03-21-2011, 08:14 AM
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Corys will be fine, a trio minimum as they need company or they can be very stressed.

I am still not recommending neons. The temperature issue just registered with me, neons do not do well at warm temps that the betta needs, and vice versa. Check our profile of the neon tetra.

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post #14 of 21 Old 03-21-2011, 10:13 AM
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You may wish to be avoid certain of the Cory species. In particular, I don't think the pepper corys like it too warm. Check the fish profiles when possible.
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post #15 of 21 Old 03-21-2011, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
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My tank is at a constant 76-78. When it drops to 76 the heater turns on. I would say my tank is about 50% covered since I just received the plants. I take your advice under consideration Byron and I intend to watch them very closely for the first few days. If it doesn't work out I won't make them continue to live together. Do I just pick a place on the jungle val to cut it or is there somewhere specific?

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post #16 of 21 Old 03-21-2011, 07:25 PM
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For pruning, I use sharp scissors. Make sure to dry the scissors after use to prevent rusting. Don't trim the Val to the roots. I trim mine even with the water's surface myself. That way, I get a visual estimate of each week's growth = the amount laying along the tanks surface. You may get some browning on the cut edge, but it's not a problem.
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post #17 of 21 Old 03-21-2011, 07:53 PM Thread Starter
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The top half of mine is pretty ragged, but there are new leaves starting to grow so I guess I'll just trim it down to the clean edges.

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post #18 of 21 Old 03-23-2011, 09:50 AM
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If you want to use plants to assimilate ammonia, it may help to have emersed plants.

Floating plants work wonders, and I'm sure your val is taking more than it's fair share of ammonia...
Plants exposed to atmosphere (that float, like duckweed, amazon frogbit) and that are emersed (bamboo is wonderful, along with some crypts) will always grow faster than submerged plants.

D. Walstad (expert in the field) calls this the 'arial advantage'. If you're not keen on buying plants (even though I strongly suggest the bamboo), then you can always let the bacopa and hygrophila grow out of the top of the tank.

I use soil-based substrates and have no filter in half of my tanks...
Of course, to stock a tank without a filter, I have MANY more plants... Usually 6 bunches, a few rooted plants, and something emersed.

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post #19 of 21 Old 03-24-2011, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
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The bacopa shot out of the water in 3-4 days. The val is growing new leaves, but i just trimmed the original ones. Is it normal for anacharis to shed leaves when it grows new parts?

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Not unless it's being shaded...

I just wanted to say, when I start up a new tank, I make sure that from above, about 90% of the tank is covered with plants... Then I add something floating, and I stock the tank lightly. (about a quarter to a third of it's final stocking level) and I've never had a cycle.

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