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Old 07-12-2011, 12:23 AM   #11
 
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That is a great idea! Never went pantyhose shopping though hahah. I mean what color should I go with on the panty hose? hahaha It may not look pretty in the aquarium but it should help keep my tank going into another new cycle. Thanks again! I live in the opposite of you....Im in houston tx so I get to choose hot or hotter for a move hahahah. Hmmmm I must do more substrate research and in a hurry....moving Saturday.

LOL, definitly many choices available for color,maybe something light and summery looking. I am sure that you can find something that will color coordinate with the tank Thats okay the boyfriend has done even better, last couple of years has done the polar plunge to raise money for special olympics, and they have to dress up in a costume. The last 2 years he has done it he has dressed as and old lady, so not only has he bought nylons, dresses and purses, once a year he has even worn them Good luck with your move
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:43 AM   #12
 
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Welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum. Nice to have you with us. And welcome to the wonderful world of natural planted aquaria.

I have read through this thread and will only pick up a couple of issues to add a bit.

First on the light. What is the length of the tube (measure end to end not including the prongs)? This will allow me to answer your question on whether a single tube will work on a 50g. Having a fixture sitting on the frame with a glass cover separate certainly makes it easy to change fixtures. I have this on all my larger tanks. [BTW, you can see photos of my various tanks, past and present, under "Aquariums" below my name on the left.]

Filter. Once you go into the world of live plants, filtration becomes very secondary. All you really need is something to move the water around. A canister on a 50g is a good idea, or even a dual sponge filter. Not essential, but something to think about. Especially if you intend having forest fish which prefer quiet still water.

Substrate. Dark colours in a natural, like black, dark brown, gray, or a mix of these, is best. Plants will grow fine in any substrate, though some are better than others. Small-grain gravel, sand or an enriched substrate are my preferences. All the tanks in those photos but one have gravel or sand. The current 70g with Flourite is only 4 months old. So far it has been of minimal improvement over the others, and I have many of the same plant species in several tanks so it is a reasonable comparison. And I use Flourish Comprehensive Supplement once or twice a week in all tanks. If you go with an enriched substrate, I prefer Flourite over Eco-complete because the latter is sharper and can be trouble for substrate fish.

Last on the move/change of substrate and bacteria. If you have your live plants, this will not matter. If no live plants when you move/change the substrate, then move as much decor from the existing tank without any rinsing as you can; keep it wet. Same with the filter media. Dump the media into an open pail so it will get some oxygen, and keep it under tank water in the pail. If you can get the plants to be able to plant the tank when you move and change the substrate, they will handle things. I would still move the decor wet.

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Old 07-12-2011, 04:34 PM   #13
 
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Welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum. Nice to have you with us. And welcome to the wonderful world of natural planted aquaria.

I have read through this thread and will only pick up a couple of issues to add a bit.

First on the light. What is the length of the tube (measure end to end not including the prongs)? This will allow me to answer your question on whether a single tube will work on a 50g. Having a fixture sitting on the frame with a glass cover separate certainly makes it easy to change fixtures. I have this on all my larger tanks. [BTW, you can see photos of my various tanks, past and present, under "Aquariums" below my name on the left.]

Filter. Once you go into the world of live plants, filtration becomes very secondary. All you really need is something to move the water around. A canister on a 50g is a good idea, or even a dual sponge filter. Not essential, but something to think about. Especially if you intend having forest fish which prefer quiet still water.

Substrate. Dark colours in a natural, like black, dark brown, gray, or a mix of these, is best. Plants will grow fine in any substrate, though some are better than others. Small-grain gravel, sand or an enriched substrate are my preferences. All the tanks in those photos but one have gravel or sand. The current 70g with Flourite is only 4 months old. So far it has been of minimal improvement over the others, and I have many of the same plant species in several tanks so it is a reasonable comparison. And I use Flourish Comprehensive Supplement once or twice a week in all tanks. If you go with an enriched substrate, I prefer Flourite over Eco-complete because the latter is sharper and can be trouble for substrate fish.

Last on the move/change of substrate and bacteria. If you have your live plants, this will not matter. If no live plants when you move/change the substrate, then move as much decor from the existing tank without any rinsing as you can; keep it wet. Same with the filter media. Dump the media into an open pail so it will get some oxygen, and keep it under tank water in the pail. If you can get the plants to be able to plant the tank when you move and change the substrate, they will handle things. I would still move the decor wet.

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Thanks for the welcome Byron! Im super excited with this natural method of planted tanks.

I measured my bulb and the part that is actually glowing is 34" Today I was looking at some bulbs at petsmart that said full spectrum but it was 8000k. How is that different from the recommended 6500K? Im also kind of worried about this tank being wider than other 50 gallons I see. Im worried that since it is so thick light may not be able to get to the front of the tank as well. If getting a dual t8 light fixture greatly helps and increases plant selection then I have no problem upgrading.

On the filtration...if I get a canister would it be like a fluval 205 or 305?

For the move I will take everything I can and will keep it wet. I have a big ice chest I can put some aquarium water in it and put the decor in it. Soon as I get the tank set up I will plant some plants to help with the cycle. Speaking of plants....where does everyone get theirs? Online? Petsmart has some but most look all brown looking

Thanks for the help Byron and thanks for all the info you put on this site!
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:37 PM   #14
 
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LOL, definitly many choices available for color,maybe something light and summery looking. I am sure that you can find something that will color coordinate with the tank Thats okay the boyfriend has done even better, last couple of years has done the polar plunge to raise money for special olympics, and they have to dress up in a costume. The last 2 years he has done it he has dressed as and old lady, so not only has he bought nylons, dresses and purses, once a year he has even worn them Good luck with your move
Hahahaha....your boyfriend is funny. Special Olympics is fun....ive helped out a few times. I own a medical repair company and I often get to work around kids with special needs. They are a blast!!! Thanks for the help BarbH!
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:30 PM   #15
 
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For plants most of mine came from sweet aquatics, I was happy with the quaility of the plants, did get a couple of pest snails, which seem to have been confined to the 10 gallon that I had to put them in before I was able to plant. The price was also really good, my biggest complaint was the fact that it took almost three weeks for my plants to arrive once I had placed the order, payed online by paypal. Other than the amount of time that it took everything else was good. I also have gotten a few plants from petsmart, my anubias, and cyrpt, although I was really picky in selecting plants that looked good, cost was definitly more. I know that other people have mentioned other sites online that they have used for getting plants.
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For plants most of mine came from sweet aquatics, I was happy with the quaility of the plants, did get a couple of pest snails, which seem to have been confined to the 10 gallon that I had to put them in before I was able to plant. The price was also really good, my biggest complaint was the fact that it took almost three weeks for my plants to arrive once I had placed the order, payed online by paypal. Other than the amount of time that it took everything else was good. I also have gotten a few plants from petsmart, my anubias, and cyrpt, although I was really picky in selecting plants that looked good, cost was definitly more. I know that other people have mentioned other sites online that they have used for getting plants.
I will look into it a little more. That stinks about the 3 week order. Tomorrow I plan on visiting 5 aquarium stores here in houston. Hopefully I will run into some that have a good selection of plants
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:53 PM   #17
 
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Thanks for the welcome Byron! Im super excited with this natural method of planted tanks.

I measured my bulb and the part that is actually glowing is 34" Today I was looking at some bulbs at petsmart that said full spectrum but it was 8000k. How is that different from the recommended 6500K? Im also kind of worried about this tank being wider than other 50 gallons I see. Im worried that since it is so thick light may not be able to get to the front of the tank as well. If getting a dual t8 light fixture greatly helps and increases plant selection then I have no problem upgrading.

On the filtration...if I get a canister would it be like a fluval 205 or 305?

For the move I will take everything I can and will keep it wet. I have a big ice chest I can put some aquarium water in it and put the decor in it. Soon as I get the tank set up I will plant some plants to help with the cycle. Speaking of plants....where does everyone get theirs? Online? Petsmart has some but most look all brown looking

Thanks for the help Byron and thanks for all the info you put on this site!
You are welcome.

The light might be OK with one tube, I have a single 30-inch on my 33g which is also 3-feet although only a foot in width. That is an odd size, are you sure it is not 36 inches? Measure the tube end to end, just don't include the actual prongs. The usual tubes come in 30-inch (which is what mine is) and 36 inch and a fixture that sits on the frame of a 36-inch tank would likely take a 36-inch tube. Mine is one of those manufactured hoods so the fixture is always shorter.

A dual T8 fixture is one option. Another option is a single-tube T5 fixture. T5 HO tubes are brighter light, about 1.5 times more than a comparable T8 tube. A dual T5 would be way too much for a natural low-tech, but a single would be manageable. Another thing to bear in mind though is cost; T5 are more expensive fixtures, but also the tubes are much more expensive than T8. These tubes need replacing every 1-2 years.

I'd want to check the manufacturer of those tubes before recommending them. "Full spectrum" should mean what it says, but it doesn't always, and the Kelvin is only the indication of the colour as we perceive it. The sun is around 5500K, and 6500K tubes are slightly cooler in colour, which gives a very good light. Can you post the link to a site, or give me the name?

Fluval are good canisters. You would only want the size rated for a 50g tank, no more. I can't remember if they come with the media.
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You are welcome.

The light might be OK with one tube, I have a single 30-inch on my 33g which is also 3-feet although only a foot in width. That is an odd size, are you sure it is not 36 inches? Measure the tube end to end, just don't include the actual prongs. The usual tubes come in 30-inch (which is what mine is) and 36 inch and a fixture that sits on the frame of a 36-inch tank would likely take a 36-inch tube. Mine is one of those manufactured hoods so the fixture is always shorter.

A dual T8 fixture is one option. Another option is a single-tube T5 fixture. T5 HO tubes are brighter light, about 1.5 times more than a comparable T8 tube. A dual T5 would be way too much for a natural low-tech, but a single would be manageable. Another thing to bear in mind though is cost; T5 are more expensive fixtures, but also the tubes are much more expensive than T8. These tubes need replacing every 1-2 years.

I'd want to check the manufacturer of those tubes before recommending them. "Full spectrum" should mean what it says, but it doesn't always, and the Kelvin is only the indication of the colour as we perceive it. The sun is around 5500K, and 6500K tubes are slightly cooler in colour, which gives a very good light. Can you post the link to a site, or give me the name?

Fluval are good canisters. You would only want the size rated for a 50g tank, no more. I can't remember if they come with the media.
With out the prongs it is 35" long. So, I am guessing with the prongs measured in it would be a 36" bulb. Well, I cant find the bulb I was looking at online. But I know it said 6700k on it. I have room for another 36 inch t8 light fixture. I may just buy another one or one with ability to use two t8 bulbs. The single t5s I could find was running 100 bucks for the fixture. As long as I stay with 6500 K I should be ok? I know the watts per gallon is an old measuring tool but should I still think about the watts? Also, lets say I got two t8 36" bulbs would that put me in a lighting setting that could handle plants that require more light?
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With out the prongs it is 35" long. So, I am guessing with the prongs measured in it would be a 36" bulb. Well, I cant find the bulb I was looking at online. But I know it said 6700k on it. I have room for another 36 inch t8 light fixture. I may just buy another one or one with ability to use two t8 bulbs. The single t5s I could find was running 100 bucks for the fixture. As long as I stay with 6500 K I should be ok? I know the watts per gallon is an old measuring tool but should I still think about the watts? Also, lets say I got two t8 36" bulbs would that put me in a lighting setting that could handle plants that require more light?
Watts is, at best, just a rough guide, as it varies with the type of light, spectrum, tube manufacturer, etc.

I would stay with the fixture you have, get a decent tube, and see how it does; unless you want those high-light plants on the substrate, you should be fine with any low and moderate light plants. There are many in our plant profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top. There is a plant section as well as fish.

That sounds OK, if in a Petsmart probably a Hagen Life-Glo2. They carry this series of tubes (in Canada anyway), and the Life-Glo is in my opinion the best. I use this on all my single-tube tanks. Triphosphor for good plant light, and a good colour rendition. With one of these at 30w (which is what the 36-inch will be) you will be comparable to what I have over my 33g.
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Watts is, at best, just a rough guide, as it varies with the type of light, spectrum, tube manufacturer, etc.

I would stay with the fixture you have, get a decent tube, and see how it does; unless you want those high-light plants on the substrate, you should be fine with any low and moderate light plants. There are many in our plant profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top. There is a plant section as well as fish.

That sounds OK, if in a Petsmart probably a Hagen Life-Glo2. They carry this series of tubes (in Canada anyway), and the Life-Glo is in my opinion the best. I use this on all my single-tube tanks. Triphosphor for good plant light, and a good colour rendition. With one of these at 30w (which is what the 36-inch will be) you will be comparable to what I have over my 33g.
Thanks a bunch byron! I will think about it which route I want to go with but I will for sure look for that bulb. Tomorrow I am going to many aquarium stores and see if I can run into a few options. Thanks!
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