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post #11 of 30 Old 03-20-2011, 11:26 AM
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My 10g QT is heavily planted. I have been using Flourish for about 2 months now and have been amazed at the results. My Aponogeton grew at an incredible rate, it is probably doubled since I started using Flourish twice weekly. I have a low-tech QT (although after a certain thread I started, I may just make it a basic, non-planted QT), and I want to start a low-tech 55g amazon tank (without the non-amazonian species like Aponogeton and Anacharis).



I have aponogeton, and I also have amazon sword temporarily growing in my QT. I can hardly tell the difference without digging at the roots a little bit to see if it has a bulb or not. I was wondering if I should use root tabs for my amazon sword as well (as I think I have seen suggested), and what brand root tab you could recomend. I guess it is Ok to ask that without changing the topic "plant fertilizer?".

Thanks all for your imput!
For the present I would stay with just the Flourish Comprehensive liquid. There is the significant issue of the disease in this 10g tank in the other thread that Dawn is helping you with, so take her advice on that. Once the 55g is set up the plants can go in there and we can discuss substrate fertilizers, or perhaps you can consider a plant substrate like Flourite or Eco-complete, as all or part of the substrate (mixed with small-grain gravel). That's another topic.

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For the present I would stay with just the Flourish Comprehensive liquid. There is the significant issue of the disease in this 10g tank in the other thread that Dawn is helping you with, so take her advice on that. Once the 55g is set up the plants can go in there and we can discuss substrate fertilizers, or perhaps you can consider a plant substrate like Flourite or Eco-complete, as all or part of the substrate (mixed with small-grain gravel). That's another topic.
Thanks Byron! You are right, I don't really need to introduce anything else into my 10g QT right now.

Unfortunately, Eco-complete and Flourite is too expensive for my setup. I really don't want to pay $200 for substrate. I really do appreciate your suggestion, though. I know that the substrates you mentioned would have a really great effect on my planted tank, but I am still somewhat short on cash.

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Shop around on-line for substrate and wait for a "free shipping" sale. I have ecocomplete in my 55 and it was less than $100 delivered to my door (100 lbs). I have a 2-4" layer (sloped) in my 55 gallon. I am very pleased with the ecocomplete, but still have to use the substrate fertilizers Byron mentioned.
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Shop around on-line for substrate and wait for a "free shipping" sale. I have ecocomplete in my 55 and it was less than $100 delivered to my door (100 lbs). I have a 2-4" layer (sloped) in my 55 gallon. I am very pleased with the ecocomplete, but still have to use the substrate fertilizers Byron mentioned.
You shouldn't need additional substrate ferts with Eco-complete...unless I am mis-understanding you. I would however use Flourish liquid, esp if there are stem plants, non-substrate rooted (Java Fern & Moss, Anubias) or floating.

I set up my 70g two weeks ago with Flourite Black, first time I've used one of these; will be interesting to see the difference (if any).

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You shouldn't need additional substrate ferts with Eco-complete...unless I am mis-understanding you. I would however use Flourish liquid, esp if there are stem plants, non-substrate rooted (Java Fern & Moss, Anubias) or floating.

I set up my 70g two weeks ago with Flourite Black, first time I've used one of these; will be interesting to see the difference (if any).

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Thanks, that's what I thought also, but 3 of 4 large swords started looking lousy (transparent new leaves, yellowing leaves, poor growth) after about a month in the tank. I stuck in some Flourish tabs, and wow, they took off. Based on your comments here and elsewhere on the forum, I think I was initially under-dosing the Flourish Comprehensive for the sword's needs. Since I went to 2x/week on the Flourish Comprehensive, my stem plants, as well as my swords, seem to be growing really well.
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Shop around on-line for substrate and wait for a "free shipping" sale. I have ecocomplete in my 55 and it was less than $100 delivered to my door (100 lbs). I have a 2-4" layer (sloped) in my 55 gallon. I am very pleased with the ecocomplete, but still have to use the substrate fertilizers Byron mentioned.
Wow, that is interesting. All the online stores I know of exclude aquarium substrate of any kind in their free shipping deals. DKRST, how many inches did 100lbs of eco-complete substrate fill your 55g tank? It is probably out of my price range, but no hurt in asking.

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You shouldn't need additional substrate ferts with Eco-complete...unless I am mis-understanding you. I would however use Flourish liquid, esp if there are stem plants, non-substrate rooted (Java Fern & Moss, Anubias) or floating.
I do have stem plants, but non that are going in the amazon. I have anacharis and used to have hornwort in my 10g QT because they absorb toxicity faster than other plants. The amazon Sword is going into the 55g tank, though. I am having great diffeculty finding amazonian plants for my amazon tank. Amazon Sword is all I can find, and even that was hard to find if you can believe it.

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I set up my 70g two weeks ago with Flourite Black, first time I've used one of these; will be interesting to see the difference (if any).

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Can't wait to see the results! Are you adding the Flourite to an Amazonian tank, or an Asian tank?

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Wow, that is interesting. All the online stores I know of exclude aquarium substrate of any kind in their free shipping deals. DKRST, how many inches did 100lbs of eco-complete substrate fill your 55g tank? It is probably out of my price range, but no hurt in asking
That was the funny thing, this was around Christmas and some stores excluded "substrate" from free shipping. However, when I actually added the Ecocomplete to the electronic check-out cart at one site, it didn't code as substrate, so... Free shipping!

I just took a measurement. Five bags (100lbs) of ecocomplete gave me a 2.5" to 4" base in the tank. I tend to slope back to front and, accidentally, from middle to side! So, averages out to about 3+ inches overall. That's deeper looking than you might think...
I'd bet you could do well with four bags if you really wanted ecocomplete. Particularly if you aren't growing Swords. I like it because I prefer the dark color substrates. It does have some larger pieces and some white chunks in it. It's a little tough for me to work with when trying to insert very thin stems (it's very light and I have clumsy fingers!).

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So, averages out to about 3+ inches overall. That's deeper looking than you might think...
Actually (unfortunately), it is not. I need about 4-6" for deep-rooted amazon sword. That can get pretty expensive.

Thanks for measuring for me! It is good to know abit better how far this substrate will go.

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post #19 of 30 Old 03-20-2011, 06:26 PM
You don't need it that deep, unless you want anaerobic substrate too. I used the same amount of eco complete in my 55 and never had a problem with swords, except they grow too fast.

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You don't need it that deep, unless you want anaerobic substrate too. I used the same amount of eco complete in my 55 and never had a problem with swords, except they grow too fast.
I concur regarding the depth, there is such a thing as too deep! I have 4 different swords and once their roots get going, they are really well-anchored! I'm hoping MTS (Malaysian trumpet snails) will help aerate my ecocomplete substrate. I have a few of them, but no obvious reproduction yet...
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