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Old 02-02-2011, 07:59 PM   #1
 
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On my way home today I stopped by my LFS and picked up some beginner plants. 1 bundle of Java Fern and 3 bundles of Anacharis. The person helping me recommended flourish tablets for these guys as well. I'll have some pics later tomorrow.

I finally made them move! lol. I just want to keep it as low tech as possible.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:21 PM   #2
 
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nice

anacharis is a good one for many reasons aside for being forgiving...and who doesnt like some java fern... will be awaiting your aqua scaping pics...
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Old 02-03-2011, 11:06 AM   #3
 
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Glad to hear you're into plants, your fish will thank you.

I can't see the value of Flourish tabs in the substrate for these plants though, and I wouldn't waste them. Java Fern attaches to rock and wood and takes all its nutrients from the water, and since the roots are not buried in the substrate the fertilizer tablets in the substrate will just sit there; plant roots have to be in the substrate to assimilate nutrients there.

Anacharis is a stem plant, and here again substrate fertilizers are of minimal significance. I would recommend Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium (liquid). It will be considerably more effective and considerably less expensive long-term. You use very little once a week. I have both, but I have large sword plants that are heavy feeders from the substrate, and the tabs help there. But aside from these, I have used Flourish liquid for years and have heavily-planted tanks.

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Old 02-03-2011, 11:21 AM   #4
 
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Glad to hear you're into plants, your fish will thank you.

I can't see the value of Flourish tabs in the substrate for these plants though, and I wouldn't waste them. Java Fern attaches to rock and wood and takes all its nutrients from the water, and since the roots are not buried in the substrate the fertilizer tablets in the substrate will just sit there; plant roots have to be in the substrate to assimilate nutrients there.

Anacharis is a stem plant, and here again substrate fertilizers are of minimal significance. I would recommend Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium (liquid). It will be considerably more effective and considerably less expensive long-term. You use very little once a week. I have both, but I have large sword plants that are heavy feeders from the substrate, and the tabs help there. But aside from these, I have used Flourish liquid for years and have heavily-planted tanks.

Byron.
+1 Flourish Comprehensive is the way to go with these plants. Congrats on getting live plants, your fish will love you for it!
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:25 PM   #5
 
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Light question and update on 30 gal

Thanks again Byron and Aunt K. for your nice welcome and information. I did do a water change and went out and bought and used Prime. It worked, and now I've got minimual to no ammonia reading!

Question about light. If I do want to keep some anacharis and a java fern (which I've anchored to wood), and I have a 20 watt flor. GE bulb called "Aqua Rays", is this sufficient? If not do you know where I can get one (22") that would work for a good price? Walmart? Also, do you think that as long as I can keep my ammonia levels at 0 I can now get a couple more fish?

I've been cycling for almost one month with 4 small Danios. They did have a small reddish appearance to their gills this morning.

Thanks
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:43 PM   #6
 
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Thanks again Byron and Aunt K. for your nice welcome and information. I did do a water change and went out and bought and used Prime. It worked, and now I've got minimual to no ammonia reading!

Question about light. If I do want to keep some anacharis and a java fern (which I've anchored to wood), and I have a 20 watt flor. GE bulb called "Aqua Rays", is this sufficient? If not do you know where I can get one (22") that would work for a good price? Walmart? Also, do you think that as long as I can keep my ammonia levels at 0 I can now get a couple more fish?

I've been cycling for almost one month with 4 small Danios. They did have a small reddish appearance to their gills this morning.

Thanks
You're most welcome.

The red gills could be ammonia or nitrite. Prime works for about 24 hours and is good at a water change, but should not be added regularly solely to control ammonia or nitrite (just so you know). Do you have a nitrite test? If nitrite is .25 or higher, a 50% water change is advisable, with Prime obviously. Daily until the nitrite is zero. Cycling takes anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks normally.

Plants will help as they consume a lot of ammonia (as ammonium), and nitrite isn't even an issue if there are enough plants. When plants assimilate ammonia, they do not produce nitrite (as bacteria do) so this stage is usually missed. But you need lots of plants, not just one or two, and fast-growing ones like stem plants are best for this.

On the light, measure the tube end to end (excluding the prongs) and that is the size you want in a "daylight" with a kelvin of around 6500K. GE, Phillips, Sylvania all make these, you can get them at hardware stores and I think Walmart. Look for the kelvin number, between 6000K and 7000K is best.

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Old 02-03-2011, 12:53 PM   #7
 
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lighting etc.

I don't have a Nitrite test, just a Nitrate, and I always get 0. I think since I'm off today, I'll run a water sample of to my LFS, they will test. Good thing to probably know. I guess I should probably buy that test kit.


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You're most welcome.

The red gills could be ammonia or nitrite. Prime works for about 24 hours and is good at a water change, but should not be added regularly solely to control ammonia or nitrite (just so you know). Do you have a nitrite test? If nitrite is .25 or higher, a 50% water change is advisable, with Prime obviously. Daily until the nitrite is zero. Cycling takes anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks normally.

Plants will help as they consume a lot of ammonia (as ammonium), and nitrite isn't even an issue if there are enough plants. When plants assimilate ammonia, they do not produce nitrite (as bacteria do) so this stage is usually missed. But you need lots of plants, not just one or two, and fast-growing ones like stem plants are best for this.

On the light, measure the tube end to end (excluding the prongs) and that is the size you want in a "daylight" with a kelvin of around 6500K. GE, Phillips, Sylvania all make these, you can get them at hardware stores and I think Walmart. Look for the kelvin number, between 6000K and 7000K is best.

Byron.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:56 PM   #8
 
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lighting etc.

I don't have a Nitrite test, just a Nitrate, and I always get 0. I think since I'm off today, I'll run a water sample of to my LFS, they will test. Good thing to probably know. I guess I should probably buy that test kit.


Also, no I didn't know I couldn't use Prime when needed. So, I can't use that consistently to keep ammonia down. Need to keep up with water changes? Just today, I put some of my neighbors gravel (from established) tank in my filter in a netting. Hoping this will speed things up!


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You're most welcome.

The red gills could be ammonia or nitrite. Prime works for about 24 hours and is good at a water change, but should not be added regularly solely to control ammonia or nitrite (just so you know). Do you have a nitrite test? If nitrite is .25 or higher, a 50% water change is advisable, with Prime obviously. Daily until the nitrite is zero. Cycling takes anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks normally.

Plants will help as they consume a lot of ammonia (as ammonium), and nitrite isn't even an issue if there are enough plants. When plants assimilate ammonia, they do not produce nitrite (as bacteria do) so this stage is usually missed. But you need lots of plants, not just one or two, and fast-growing ones like stem plants are best for this.

On the light, measure the tube end to end (excluding the prongs) and that is the size you want in a "daylight" with a kelvin of around 6500K. GE, Phillips, Sylvania all make these, you can get them at hardware stores and I think Walmart. Look for the kelvin number, between 6000K and 7000K is best.

Byron.
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:07 PM   #9
 
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I don't have a Nitrite test, just a Nitrate, and I always get 0. I think since I'm off today, I'll run a water sample of to my LFS, they will test. Good thing to probably know. I guess I should probably buy that test kit.


Also, no I didn't know I couldn't use Prime when needed. So, I can't use that consistently to keep ammonia down. Need to keep up with water changes? Just today, I put some of my neighbors gravel (from established) tank in my filter in a netting. Hoping this will speed things up!
Yes, a nitrite test kit is useful. Again, the more plants, the less this is an issue. API kits (liquid) are reliable.

My comment on Prime is that it is a water conditioner intended for use when changing water to condition the water. It is not a tonic or supplement to fix problems in the tank. While most conditioners may say they are safe if overdosed, it makes sense to me to limit the amount of chemicals entering the tank, especially if fish are trying to live in it. If you are going to use Prime daily, it might as well be with a 50% water change to remove some of the stuff you don't want in there and improve things.

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Old 02-03-2011, 04:01 PM   #10
 
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My tank may have "cycled"!

I put rocks in a mess bag from my neighbors established tank, in my filter. I did use Prime this morning too, to bring down ammonia. I'm almost at 4 weeks of starting this tank.

Took water to LFS, my ammonia is a 0, which is what I got when I tested after using Prime and my Nitrates were 5.0. I can't remember what he said my nitrites were, but they were "fine".

So, hours later I just repeated the Nitrate test, and sure enough my level is 5.0 (it's a bit of a darkish orange, could be a bit higher).

My question is, what is a safe level for Nitrates? Is it possible that taking the rocks from another tank boosted the process that fast?

Thanks for the help!!!
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