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post #1 of 29 Old 02-14-2012, 02:46 PM Thread Starter
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I did it!! after literally years of debating, and re-debating... and then debating a third time, i finally did it. I sucked up all the strength and determination I could muster and....

I turned off the filter on my 20 long The plants are booming like crazy and the filter was turned way down anyway. I still plan on doing weekly water changes, just to get some of the gunk off the grave (but not out of the gravel). Tomorrow and every day for a couple weeks im going to test the water for ammonia, but provided it stays to zero im in it baby!

SO.... you guys think I should add a small air stone or tiny sponge filter to circulate the water, or just let nature do its thang?

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post #2 of 29 Old 02-14-2012, 07:21 PM
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post #3 of 29 Old 02-14-2012, 07:23 PM
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I did it!! after literally years of debating, and re-debating... and then debating a third time, i finally did it. I sucked up all the strength and determination I could muster and....

I turned off the filter on my 20 long The plants are booming like crazy and the filter was turned way down anyway. I still plan on doing weekly water changes, just to get some of the gunk off the grave (but not out of the gravel). Tomorrow and every day for a couple weeks im going to test the water for ammonia, but provided it stays to zero im in it baby!

SO.... you guys think I should add a small air stone or tiny sponge filter to circulate the water, or just let nature do its thang?

I'll be curious to see how it works for you. I could see a the protein scum (whatever it's called) building up in my tank. I would think you need some way to move water around. I have a sponge filter on my small shrimp tank, but the sound of the bubbling, always sounds like my tank is boiling :)

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post #4 of 29 Old 02-14-2012, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
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i had a sponge in it once but the detritus would just build up on the filter, or more accurately, under it. I know the build up is beneficial for the aquarium as a whole, its just im neurotic lol Ill try to control my urges, if need be ill get an air stone.

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post #5 of 29 Old 02-15-2012, 02:54 AM
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I would go with a small sponge filter. I use the Hagen Elite's in both my FW planted tanks. The single one in the 10g and the double in the 29g. It's amazing how clear the water is (other than the tanin's from the driftwood) and how much those little low flow sponges collect. The main benefit is it provides just enough water movement.

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post #6 of 29 Old 02-15-2012, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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I have a tiny off brand sponge filter, but it doesnt use an air stone, which is one reason I took it out of the breeder tank. GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG makes me wanna strangle someone lol

I just dont know. The goal for the tank was no filter, no water changes, eventually.

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I have (probably close to the same) ebay generic in my 3g Desktop at work. Very close design to the Hagen ones with the built in diffuser and lift tube with 90degree bend in it at the top. There are a couple threads here that address the bubbling noise. Basically, you want to get a gang valve and run a bleeder line to an airstone outside of the tank. The bubble rate should not be roaring, just enough so you see a small steady stream of bubbles. Also the output should be 'cut' at the water's surface. By reducing the bubble rate and placing the output right it should greatly minimize the noise. I can barely hear mine other than the hum of the pump.

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post #8 of 29 Old 02-15-2012, 12:51 PM
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I would not go with an air stone. It will most definately drive off the CO2.

I have a 5 gallon tank in a window with no light and no filter.



I know the pic has a light, but I removed it since. The (small amount of) cyano algae has dissappeared since I removed the light too.
As long as you have a heater, convection and fish movement will move water around.

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post #9 of 29 Old 02-15-2012, 01:38 PM
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I have (probably close to the same) ebay generic in my 3g Desktop at work. Very close design to the Hagen ones with the built in diffuser and lift tube with 90degree bend in it at the top. There are a couple threads here that address the bubbling noise. Basically, you want to get a gang valve and run a bleeder line to an airstone outside of the tank. The bubble rate should not be roaring, just enough so you see a small steady stream of bubbles. Also the output should be 'cut' at the water's surface. By reducing the bubble rate and placing the output right it should greatly minimize the noise. I can barely hear mine other than the hum of the pump.
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Can you put a picture of yours up? I don't understand what you mean by a gang valve and a bleeder line that runs outside the tank? Thanks. I have recently set up a Hagen Elite, (you may remember that)

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post #10 of 29 Old 02-15-2012, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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What kangy is referring to, is a splitter valve. In any setup, you always want a gang valve with 1 extra outlet, per air pump. you open the extra outlet, and all the other outlets, then slowly close the bleeder (extra outlet) until bubbles are flowing appropriately. This allows the little (if any) excess pressure to offgas so it doesnt wear on the diaphragm and shorten its life :)

this allows you to throttle down the air flow through the stone/sponge without building up the back pressure in the pump.

At any rate, I turned the filter back on today. I just couldnt stand the particulate matter (dusty appearance) in the water column. Sigh... im too impatient.

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